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End The Torture and Vicious Cycle

Posted by DeadAnarchistPhil on December 25, 2006

                                                        The Reasons
 
The reasons I chose to write about this subject is in response to people I have spoken to for some time now on the subject of not letting certain people have children. I have observed in the world around me, a concern for the children and people in question. You must have seen the NSPCC adverts asking for money and help to stop the abuse of children? And how after they have seen it the people say “They shouldn’t be allowed to have children!”
 
The same goes for drug addicts or people with addictive personalities and people with extremely low IQ’s, some people say they shouldn’t be allowed to have children either, and I agree. Why I hear you ask? Subjecting a child or condemning it to a life of abuse by the addict parent or being an addict for the rest of their life, would cause untold misery and torture for the addict, the addicts family and the community on the whole. And when I say addict, I mean addicted to all kinds of addictive substances from alcohol to heroin. There are two kinds of addict, there are the ones who drink or take drugs as a habit (habitual addicts) or to cope. Then there is the genetic addict, who is genetically predisposed to be an addict. The genetically predisposed addict is the addict I propose to make infertile and ban from having children. As for the habitual addict who is not genetically predisposed to be an addict can have children under certain strict conditions. Which will be out-lined later.
 
People with low IQ’s bellow 75 should not be permitted to have children. 75-80 percent of mental retardation runs in the family, and 20-25 percent is due to biological problems and brain damage. As a IQ of 70 or under is considered mentally retarded I suggest IQ, mental health evaluations and social skills evaluations for everyone through out the person’s life. Then once a person reaches sexual maturity and has been found to be unfit to be a parent they will be permanently banned from having children. By either the vasectomy that should have been carried out when the child was of teenage age or carry one out immediately. I also think as soon as a down syndrome child is detected in the womb at the earliest stage it should be mandatory to abort them. As I think it is not fair to bring a child in to a life of mental retardation needing constant care and being a constant burden on the parents, even if they wish to look after it or not. After all it’s the child who will suffer most not the parent, and to bring it in to the world just because they think it’s right or their religion says to do it, is selfish!
 
Other reasons for not allowing People with low IQ’s to have children, is their inability to look after themselves their children and the environment around them. One instance of this was in my local paper last year. A women with an extremely low IQ was in a relationship with a violent man, she also had a child too, to another previous partner. The child lived with her and her violent partner, the violent partner beat the child on numerous occasions with no real objections from the mother. The child later died. And this women is still allowed to have children, why should she have been allowed to have them in the first place?! The same goes for animals and the places where these people live. It would cause misery on whatever estate they live on as they will not look after the children leading to anti-social behaviour subsequently bringing the estate down and leading to later anti-social generations. It would also lead to neglected animals in their possession.
 
                                     What should be done and how to do it
 
First: Sterilize all people with the addictive personalities genes, no matter how old, young, healthy religious, all colours no matter how high their IQ is or even if they are reformed addicts. After all there is always the possibility they could relapse or pass on the genes to the next generation, no matter what their intentions are.
 
Second: All male children at the age of producing valid sperm for fertilisation, will deposit it in a sperm bank. Once that it is done they will immediately or later have a vasectomy, so as not to go round impregnating all the women, who by the way are not sterilised. Also if the law comes in to force all men who have never been sterilised shall deposit their sperm in a sperm bank too, and then be made in fertile.
 
Third: As soon as a child is born they have their development monitored, a little like today. So all through life they are monitored in the areas that matter for raising children. For example, the monitoring of temperament and violent tendencies, pedophile tendencies, severe drug abuse or alcohol abuse, IQ and coping skills.
 
Fourth:,Once the person reaches the age allowing them to have children, around 27, allowing for any violent traits or severe substance abuse, pedophile tendencies, criminal tendencies time to manifest themselves. If the people in question pass the above outlined tests they will be allowed to have children, the amount they have will depend on what the population of the particular country is at the time. Also the male can only have children under strict guidelines, and he will not have possession of the sperm to have the children. And once he’s had the amount of children he is permitted, he can have no more, the same goes for the female. 
 
                                                 The ethical argument
 
We live in a so-called democracy, I would call it a shadow democracy but that’s a different story. So I will call it a so-called democracy, but is it ethical to do what I outlined above? Is it right to take away the rights of a person to stop the misery of another they would bring in to the world? I would say yes, but then you have the argument that if you give a government power to take away the right to have children, you give them power to do almost anything! In an ideal world we could implement it, but if this was an ideal world we wouldn’t have a problem in the first place.
 
The fact remains, we do have a problem and it is not just going to go away. You can train an army of social workers and plow all the money you like in to helping these people, but the core fact is the government has been working on the problem for sometime and there is still problems. I’m not saying things haven’t got better, they have, but there is always a sad story in the paper or on the telly and even in your street, the chances are you will probably know someone with a problem highlighted in the above.
 
The problem of putting this in to law is if we can trust the government not to take other rights away? With the west’s latest bogy man and excuse to limit our freedoms more, Terrorism!, can we trust them? I can only say I can trust myself, as I could not be bought, bent or corrupted in any way shape or form, and I can guarantee that! The government cannot! So I don’t know if we should sacrifice our right to choose when and if we are allowed to have children? You could say if you follow the above guidelines you will be ok and be allowed to have children if not guaranteed some if you follow them.
 
Even if I could control the country and make the laws, would doctors perform the operations? Especially religious ones? Even the non religious doctors would have to refuse because it’s against the patients will! It could even cause a deep division in the country it’s self! But lets ask ourselves, what’s the alternative? To let this carry on? People and children subjected to the misery of alcoholism! addicts and people with low IQ’s having children and continuing the circle of substance and violent abuse! And the weakening of the Human species itself?
 
What do you think? Do you disagree? Do you have other ideas or solutions? let me know.
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25 Responses to “End The Torture and Vicious Cycle”

  1. […] End The Torture and Vicious Cycle What Is Modern English Culture? […]

  2. ♪CoNni£ said

    hey man! sorry for posting 3 comments last time, and those misspelled words… i suck typing & my computer or web gave me problems last time with the msn blogs… still i havent had time to hear the music, mom is starting a web bussines so she took our computers to her office. 
     
    Actually i always have a hard time with er— time, lol, although i have to accept that sometimes i spend most of it dowloading goth/punk images or designing  my  own as you can see… but to tell the truth i\’d like to read your blogs, i think politics are interesting and important so we can know whats going on with society and the whole world as it gives you more culture and you arent easy fooled… why do you like politics?
     
    so er- do you think some1 ould be a mosher-pun oh… BS!!! im having troubles to post things again….
     
     

  3. ♪CoNni£ said

    hey man! sorry for posting 3 comments last time, and those misspelled words… i suck typing & my computer or web gave me problems last time with the msn blogs… still i havent had time to hear the music, mom is starting a web bussines so she took our computers to her office. 
     
    Actually i always have a hard time with er— time, lol, although i have to accept that sometimes i spend most of it dowloading goth/punk images or designing  my  own as you can see… but to tell the truth i\’d like to read your blogs, i think politics are interesting and important so we can know whats going on with society and the whole world as it gives you more culture and you arent easy fooled… why do you like politics?
     
    so er- do you think some1 ould be a mosher-punk?
     
     

  4. spencer said

    Hi Phil. Your url work\’s great in my media player, It almost jumped of my Space with Johnny Rotten in there. It seems to me you are doing everything ok and you have already had video\’s in there so your browser is set up ok. Make sure you are taking everything out of the media player before you put the new one in there. If you still get problems. Ask your question at hack msn Forum\’s you will get advanced space user\’s answering your question. There are problem\’s sometime\’s with url\’s sticking. Anyway I have to pop of now and find some pistol\’s video\’s. "Good video you left".LOL. See you soon Spence. Click Here for the forum\’s it well worth checking out.

  5. spencer said

    Hi Phil. I have never got a tinyurl to stick in a media player. I use them sometime\’s in sand boxes.Just use the url from the embed code for the media player. Someone just left a comment who found it easy, But lot\’s of people do get problems at first.I have typed url\’s and they have not stuck although they are the same as a working url. I copy and paste them and they work ok, It is strange. Have you seen my blog for adding youtube ?. "Click here". PS When you have a video in your player double click on the screen when it is playing and it might open in a full screen. Soon I will put a small list of video\’s in one of my old blog\’s and leave out the url\’s already done.I dont think you will have a problem once you get a couple of video\’s working. It took me a while hence the teethmarks around my monitor LOL..See ya soon Spence.
     

  6. spencer said


    Hi Phil your media player sound\’s nice. Here\’s another video if you take the URL, everything between the dot\’s"http://" from the youtube embed codes and add .wmv to the end they should go straight in there.
    If you have any trouble with your url\’s, Let me know what song it is and I will try to find it and give you the url. from Spence

  7. spencer said

    Hi again Phil, Here is a url that should work in your media player. Its one of john Lennon\’s song\’s Imagine Click here to see if it work\’s ok for you on your pc,  if it\’s OK then put the url below in your media player and go for it. LOL. If it works let me know a song you would like and I will try to find it and leave you the part that work\’s, See ya Spence
     

  8. 123 said

    Again, Sorry phil it\’s Spence. I am on another account, I just noticed 123. LOL. I will pop back from my own space later. Spence.

  9. 123 said

    Hi Phil, Thank\’s for visiting. You dont need a filehost for youtube. I will pop back with a url that should work. I will leave a link you can click on to see if your browser is opening the video\’s. Take care Phil, I will pop back soon.
     PS, Gadget\’s are easy to use. and add to your Space, Click on the little cross on the top of the video player gadget\’s then you can add them to your space. 

  10. shelly said

    Hello  Phil,
                    Thanks for your visit on my space iv read what you put & iv added you to my space but you say you have added me but i dont have eney thing coming from you to click on at the top off my page for some reson it must be them bloody gremlins but i wont give up ill get you there one day hahahhaa.
        I hope you & your family have a lovely weekend & a peaceful one
           Love (((Hugs)))   Shelly xxx

  11. shelly said

     Hello  Phil
          I hope you are getting better & your Mother my thought & prayes are with you both my friend .
          will you come on my space to add me to your friends iv added you from your page but you are still hiding from me hahahahaha  Love from Shelly xxx
     
     
    Hello There Friend Did Anyone Ever Tell You, Just How Special You Are The Light that You Emit Might even Light a Star
    Did Anyone Ever Tell You How Important You Make Others Feel Somebody out here is Smiling About Love that is so Real
    Did Anyone Ever Tell You that Many Times When They were Sad Your E-mail made Them Smile a bit In Fact It made Them Glad
     
    For the Time You Spend Sending Things And Sharing whatever You Find There are No Words to Thank You But Somebody, Thinks You\’re Fine
    Did Anyone Ever Tell You
    Just How Much They Like You Well, My Friend Today I am Telling You
     
    I HOPE I GET THIS BACK I believe that without a friend you are missing out on a lot!!!
    Don\’t be confused by friends and acquaintances, there is a difference!
    BUT, you have to send it right now!!
    But don\’t just send it back, send it on to everyone..
    Have a nice day, and I\’m glad we are friends!!!
    THIS IS A HAND OF FRIENDSHIP
    YOU MUST PASS IT TO AT LEAST 4 FRIENDS

  12. Robin said

    I often hear people say out allowed they should\’nt be allowed kids, the question is do they really mean what they say. People arn\’t born to be rapist, druggies, child abusers,etc, etc. Those that do turn to become outcasts spurned by almost every one, why they turn is open to debate
     
    I was interested in your solution a little bit Draconian, lets look at people with low IQ that can be solved with education and I see no reason why they should not have children. It\’s the establishment that labels them as retarded what they need is understanding and teaching.It does not mean they are bad and unable to look after children, constent evaluation in their early years may well prove vital
     
    Downs syndrone, abort ? yes they have major health problems, they don\’t live to a ripe old age and can be the most loving people I know. Always wanting to be just like any normal person, are they rapists,child abusers,druggies,low life? I think not
     
    Who is going to police the system that allow people to deside who should be sterilized and can we be sure that the sperm and ova  banks will not be used for unethical reasons I think that science has a long way to go in the understanding of DNA so that the gene\’s can be identified that bring on alcoholism,violent tendencies and other social evils and remove them. George Orwell 1984 not the kind of world for me.
     
    The answers to your blog Phil is a very complexed and emotive issue. if the so called experts can\’t find the right solution who can? It would be nice to find the middle road but some how I don\’t see it in my lifetime. Every one may well be dead in 40 year time if we keep poluting at at the present rate and that will solve everything. 

  13. ♪CoNni£ said

    Hey there!
    how did you receive this  new year?
     
    mmm, so tell me what underground bands of nowadays do you think do good music? i\’d be glad if you recomend me some.And talking about music and lyrics of the past, do you like to writte/ compose? of what kind of political or social challenges would you writte nowadays if you were in a band for example?
     
    in fact im in a band, our names is "killing marshallows" haha 2 reasons: people that knows my friend nancy and i think we are "cute" butwhen they get to know us , those people change to the idea of "those kids are like dinamit"…i did the literal transalition from spanish to english .. and my lol cos my lady friend (who sings along with me), said: "well if there\’s a band called: smashing pumpkings, i dont see why we cant be K.M."- i think our name is humorous bu tpretty dumb.  we  play rock, and for this party a bit of pop :S , anyroads my mates arent punk, so they dont get along with it…
     
    cya  take care connie 
     

  14. spice said

    Having thought about it a little more I do have an answer. What we should do, and I\’m sure in a few more years we will be able to, is to switch off everyone\’s reproductive ability at birth. Then, when the time comes that a couple want to have children they have to fulfil a predetermined set of criteria in order to have their reproductive systems switched back on again.
     
    The criteria? How about things like proof of a stable home environment, regular employment, a certain level of income and financial stability, drug and disease free status. And how about a limit of two children, after which the ability to have more is switched off again?
     
    Perhaps I\’m being extreme here and more than a little tongue in cheek, but as history, and I\’m sure future events, will show is that if we as a species don\’t control our population development then I\’m sure that nature will intervene and do it for us. Probably in a manner we\’re not going to like very much.

  15. Kathryn said

    Opinions never hurt me, Ill be back..
    katt

  16. Owen said

    Thanks for the comment Phil.From a purely cold, rational point of view what you\’re saying makes perfect sense. However, mass sterilisation would be unethical and placing that kind of responsibility in the hands of some governments would be down right irresponsible. One day the "criteria" for "breeding" may change and government snip-merchants could chase after for example the obese, those susceptable to certain diseases, certain ethnicities etc etc.Regarding those with addictions, the last thing they need is the responsibility of children so ideally they should be put in a centre (whether they like it or not) or such where they can be helped out of their problems in an environment where "accidents" can\’t happen. Once they are cold-turkey out they go again. They shouldn\’t see this as imprisonment but health treatment. The true criminals in all this (with illegal drugs anyway); the pushers, smugglers, dealers, manufacturers should feel the full force of the law.Humans are complex and you can\’t really tell how someone will turn out through the genes alone, environment plays a big role and the environment and lives addicts etc. lead is where the emphasis on solving these problems should lie. That should stop their children following in their dark footsteps.

  17. spice said

    Phil, Happy New year to you, my old mate. I hope you had a good one.
    Well, you\’re a brave man to post the argument and I think you\’re going to get some reaction to it, but then again, I don\’t think your the kind of guy that sails away from the oncoming hurricane.
    The problem I have with what you say, and there is a lot of sound reason to your argument, is – who are we going to trust to make the kind of judgements and decisions that you propose? Anything of this nature comes very close to the practice of eugenics, which in essence is selective breeding to weed out the weaker elements in society. Once society takes that step then there will be people who will be making the decision of who can reproduce and who cannot. Who will we appoint to decide and will we even have a say in who decides? What happens if they then start to move the boundaries to include the removal of non contributing members from society? And from there, still further, to include the sick and the elderly.
    Just imagine for a minute that someone like Dr Harold Shipman manages to become one of the decision makers. We never thought that a small town doctor would turn out to be the biggest serial killer in UK history, so what would be the result if a sociopath such as he was were given a license to make such important choices.
    I don\’t really disagree with the essence of what you\’re saying – society belongs to the majority – the people who actively contribute in a positive way and that those who don\’t make a contribution, or who have a negative effect are parasites we could all live without. In any other animal society nature has a way of dealing with this by natural selection, or the survival of the fittest. The human animal has managed to bypass nature\’s control measures and as a result, and at the risk of being called a Nazi, we are contributing to a weakening of the species. An unpalatable statement, perhaps, but true all the same.
    I don\’t really know what the answer is, but I don\’t think we yet have the leaders, either politically or morally, that I would trust enough to allow them to be the deciders of the future of the human race.

  18. ♪CoNni£ said

    hola Phill! I hope you have had a great new years eve and wish you the best for this year!
     
    i do join a band. Im one of the vocalists. Nowadays we are not rehearsing \’cos all member\’s schedules are way different, one of the them works, the other is making his social service, my lady friend and i have more time, then we invited  a guy from a town near here but takes him like 1hour to get to my home. we are supposed to play on a "kind of sweet 16" party. We are just praying to heaven to have a nice gig.
     
     I think rock and most of all its posible genres from the 70-80 were a lot  better than what  are now. As an outside viewer i think that those decades had a lot of social transformation and therefore music was strongly influenced. see for example: dust in the wind by kansas, sounds of silence, winds of change by skorpions, the wall by pink floyd  or for punk  :god save the queen- sex pistols, im so bored of the usa/ i fought the law  by the clash , are wonderful and each have is role in the movie.
     
    BUt it is to be admited, even if im punk or at leat i like the most, i think it became so commercial afeter a while, it became a fashion for most people…. as everything  in this world.
     
    take care cya soon!and hope ur ilness takes a lot of time to come back!!!!!!!

  19. Kathryn said

     I don\’t think this is a feasable solution, sorry. What about the people whom are genetically addicts but have never touched drugs?
    They can be good parents, and often kids with down\’s syndrome can be productive in our society. In fact, most downs kids are born that way because the women having them are too old (the older you get, the greater the chances for a downs kid) What you are taking here sounds alot like Huxley\’s Brave New World, and Orwell\’s 84, controlling the population and who\’s born, perhaps its time for a read?
    Paints a good picture of what could happen.. I would like to aim at prevention, parents need to prevent there kids from having unsafe sex, which includes sex education at home, and sex education maintained in schools. If people can\’t make a decision to have a kid on their own, all hell will break lose, worse then inbreeds having kids. Plus, ppl with low IQ\’s clean your city streets and halls, who will do that job if they are all gone? Everyone can be a viable productive part of socitey, its just a matter of finding the fit..
    IF its a mother who repeatedly bashes her kids, or is abusive or pedofiles in jail or whatever, yes sterilization in extreme cases would be a good option..
    Katt

  20. Amanda said

    Hi Phil,
    Just wishing you a very happy new year.
    catch you on line soon i hope.
    take care, love Mandy xx
     

  21. shelly said

    Dear  Phil
    ,
    I hope you & your family have a Wonderful Night, & I\’m wishing you a Healthy & peaceful New Year
             All the best  (((Hugs)))  Love from Shelly xxxx  I love my Cards thank you so much xxx
     
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  22. Amanda said

    Hello Phil,
    Wow you certainly are bang to rights here!!  Yes there are certain types of people that should be put to a premature death even before the sperm has hatched.  Not so sure i would include low IQ ones though, as that would have meant bye bye for me before my mum could\’ve popped me out, or stuffed me in, ha ha ha … In an ideal world as you say the world would be rid of all vile and disgusting people, the world would be free of drugs and perverts etc etc….but we live in imperfection..We are all imperfect, so it would be a fine line to draw and to implement across the board.  Our Governments are the ones who are the vile and disgusting ones…Get rid of them first i say.  The way i see it, we should learn to have more love for each other and be more tolerant towards others.  I don\’t mean those who are on a path of self destruction though.  For them kind i would throw them to the lions (druggies, perverts and abusers etc etc ).  Them types are just arse holes who wreck other peoples quality of life for the fun of it.  Call them desperate maybe, not all can help having a drug addiction, but many choose their own path and expect to be carried along it when the going gets too tough for them.  What is needed so desperately is a teaching of respect to others and theirs, and also a teaching of self respect too.  Not many people get the picture when it comes to how they come across to others, they are blinded by their own foolish and self absorbing habits in life.  This is just one of those things in life Phil that us decent kind have to learn to live with i guess….until God decides it\’s time to get rid and shoot the whole day down!!
    Best i go now, i have almost written a book on a load of bollox here!!
    Take care my friend, love Mandy xx

  23. shelly said

    Dear  Phil.
            I hope you & your family are having a great Christmas lots of rest .
              Iv added you now you have to except it OK .
                Take care Love from Shelly {{{Hugs}}}  xxx
     
     
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  24. shelly said

    Dear  Phil.
                I hope you & your family are having a Wonderful Christmas full of Love peace & fun .
            Take care Love from Shelly xxx
     
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    Christmas Hugs !!!

  25. ♪CoNni£ said

    Hola!
     
    I hopeyou recover from your ilness soon,Thanks fro the greetings, I hope You and your family have a Great X-mas as well!
     
    Im glad to know people who loves music, or whatver kind of artistic expression,
    \’cos art is what I love, so do you play any instrument or join a band?
     
    The waeather here is  not as cold as in England, our lowest is of 16ºC, thats a little like the highest temperature for us
    british in winter or fall ,isn\’t it?…. Certainly i was born and half-raised in London, then when i was 12 years old i move to Los Cabos Mexico, but I dont mind writting or speacking spanish as much foreign people does thats why i  listen to some of its music too.
     
    I\’d like to discuss more about our tastes in music among other things, right now i got to go (i woke up at 12pm, its 3 pm and i got a meeting , but im not ready yet! :O )
     
    CYA,,,, best wishes!
     
     
     
     

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