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Does voting achieve anything?

Posted by DeadAnarchistPhil on May 7, 2007

These are my thoughts on the previous blog topic. Now everyone’s had their say, and I feel up to it, I’ll give you a monster of a blog! So thank you to everybody who commented.
How many times have we heard and indeed said… “They do it to feather their own nests!Or… “Regardless of who gets in, nothing ever changes” There are may other sayings but you get the idea, and all are true to an extent, if not totally. So why do we persist in voting the same bunch of bent, corrupt politicians in again and again? Everyone who commented agreed that they are to far removed and out of touch from the electorate, but it’s not entirely their fault is it? The electorate is guilty of falling for or putting up with political lies and scandlels! So here’s the first problem, the electorate (Well some of them) know full well what goes on in Government and behind closed doors. Others vote for them because they offer the best lies or they truly believe that the potential candidates are going to do their best for the voters (Yeah right!). Then there’s the thick people of this country (All the Jade Goodys of Britain please stand up) who are so lacking any brain cells, that they will vote for the British National Party (BNP), as they aint got a clue as to what they’re saying or taking part in! So I think a portion of the blame has to placed on the electorate, for allowing these political tricksters to pull the wool over their eyes time and again!
Now, the politicians, they know exactly what they are doing, and what their limitations are before they up set people higher up the chain (Businessmen, their own business interests and the establishment, be it Royalty or other) and below (the electorate and pressure groups). And we all know which ones they try their best not to up set…? that’s right.. the higher. They only really pay attention to what the electorate say when it riots or attracts attention to what the politicians are actually doing. They know when they make decisions they make them for their own best interests, their own voters and their business friends. Basically they run things to their own business and political train of thought. But regardless of who we vote in, no matter which political ideology it is, they never seem to fix the problems they are elected to fix! They stop, stall, make excuses, spin it and drag everything through the mud and still don’t accomplish anything but preserve the status quo! (Some can’t even do that). They promise everything and deliver very little, unless it benefits them too. And they wont bother to rock the boat because they know the electorate will stand for it (After grinding them down for so long), and their business friends will reward them for not doing so.
So, we have the answer to why the country is tits up, and to be honest, you all knew about and thought of what I just wrote in the first two paragraphs, it’s nothing new. So if no politician is willing to make the drastic changes of curbing our rampant Capitalism and giving it a conscience as well as correcting our tax system that is proportionally wrong and not to forget the social problems, what’s the point? Our votes achieve nothing but the status quo, and the politicians know that, which is why they do what they do. We’ve already established that politicians stand up and take notice of what we say when we riot or create Civil Disobedience. So would more Civil Disobedience force the Government and politicians in to acting in our best interests instead of their own and their friends? Henry David Thoreau said in his Civil Disobedience essay (Read Civil Disobedience link for a summary) written against the US Mexican war and the US slave trade: 
“Unjust laws exist: shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them, and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress them at once? Men, generally, under such a government as this, think that they ought to wait until they have persuaded the majority to alter them. They think that, if they should resist, the remedy would be worse than the evil. But it is the fault of the government itself that the remedy is worse than the evil. It makes it worse. Why is it not more apt to anticipate and provide for reform? Why does it not cherish its wise minority? Why does it cry and resist before it is hurt? Why does it not encourage its citizens to put out its faults, and do better than it would have them? Why does it always crucify Christ and excommunicate Copernicus and Luther, and pronounce Washington and Franklin rebels?”
So, from reading this extract from Henry Thoreau, the Government and politicians rely on us to remain submissive and in fear that we’ll lose what little or what ever we have and that counter action may lead to worse situations if we try to rectify the problem if we ‘rock the boat’ or protest. Also, Thoreau says it is the fault of the state that the people of the country have to act in such a manner to fix the problems of the corrupt state, and he’s right, but, as I said before, some blame has to be placed on the electorate for letting the Government/politicians get to the point of legal corruption in the first place. Then again we can’t all just drop what we’re doing and go and protest, can we? It would take far to long to mobilize everyone and in the end the authorities would just do what they do with all protesters, and that’s beat us or confine us to one or two streets. And if the state is absolutely corrupt, for instance like the Totalitarian Arab States and the North Korean state, the message will not be seen by the majority of the populace and would most likely be used for the states own propaganda purposes.
So protesting alone will not always make the Government/politicians change the laws or policies it makes, supposedly on our behalf. So what else is there? Let me show you another extract of Henry Thoreau’s:
 “A minority is powerless while it conforms to the majority; it is not even a minority then; but it is irresistible when it clogs by its whole weight. If the alternative is to keep all just men in prison, or give up war and slavery, the State will not hesitate which to choose. If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood. This is, in fact, the definition of a peaceable revolution, if any such is possible. If the tax-gatherer, or any other public officer,  asks me, as one has done, “But what shall I do?” my answer is, “If you really wish to do anything,  resign your office.” When the subject has refused allegiance, and the officer has resigned from office, then the revolution is accomplished. But even suppose blood shed when the conscience is wounded? Through this wound a man’s real manhood and immortality flow out, and he bleeds to an everlasting death. I see this blood flowing now.”
The message here is very simple, you can stop any democratic state bu hitting it in the wallet! Money is where the state gets its power over us, the Government/politicians give us an ultimatum, and that is: “Pay us or go to prison!” If we don’t comply, they have no power, yes they can lock some of us up, but, if done on a large-scale (even if it’s a minority) they still have a big problem. Take the late 1980’s Poll tax for instance, how many people didn’t pay it or went missing? A lot of people think it was the riots that eventually had the tax abolished, but, it was the fact people would rather go to prison or disappear that frightened the Government and led them to abolish it. So if you take away the oil that makes the machine run, it will falter and grind to a halt. 
Now we have the Government’s Achilles heel, what about how the system of Government itself works? As Phil Gayle pointed out (see comments in previous blog) there are to many ideologies and opinions to achieve unanimous agreement from everyone, on all issues – and it would be incredibly stupid to think so to. Phil G goes on to say all the main political parties (Besides the extremists) have a lot of good agendas that, ‘combined’ would help the country. Phil G also said the people, regardless of party, do have some things in common. They all want the same thing, good public services, health ect… no matter what way they vote. So could the 3 main parties plus some non extreme fringe parties, work together on their common policies, with out bickering like children in a playground? I think they could not, as they all have their own ideas on how to improve the particular service or policy.
As usual Spice came up with a good idea, and that was:“Politicians are too far removed from the electorate to be truly accountable and it would be better if the local tier of government, i.e. local councils, had more accountability for managing (and reversing) their own social decline. If the mayors and the police chief constables were made to stand for re-election every two years and if re-election were based upon effective performance standards you would very quickly see a changes. Any position of responsibility for society should be one where the position holder is at risk of losing his or her job if they fail to deliver I think with a bit fo tweaking this idea could be workable”
The idea is similar to what the system is like now, only at present the same politicians and civil servents are left to carry on running for what whatever seat of power they wish and may get elected again. If we create a law which requires them to deliver what they are supposed to, and their lively hoods depended on it, it would be a step forward. Also, once they fail to deliver they are barred from entering politics or any other political service, this should make them get it right the first time around. If we add to this the holding back of tax for the Government, we may be on to something here.
Also, how about ‘WE’ get to decide how much Ministers get paid? And how long they take holidays for. In short, we make them work for us and not the other way round, make it how it’s supposed to be!
But there would be danger if we were to give everyone a direct vote on every political topic. Just think how many councils would lynch any suspected peadophiles and how many local councils would vote for their own system of Government? For instance, in a BNP dominated council, they would have votes on issues that would only benefit the white majority and leave the minorities out. Same goes for majority Muslim areas, they would implement their own system of law. What I’m saying is there needs to also be some checks and balences put in place so as not to give power to a popular idea or group of people.
So, we have some answers and I bet we’ll have plenty more ideas when others comment on this blog. But, does voting work? Well, in the right political conditions, yes it does. But at the moment, as everyone’s agreed, it isn’t going to work with the Government running us, when it should be us running them. So there should be a Government where at least all the basic needs of every voter is seen to, no matter which party is in power. And, a system where we the people make the majority of the choices that concern us, with some checks and balances put in place of course so as not to let the popular uneducated media driven lynch mobs take control. And a modified Candidate and re-election system, so as to make the politicians work for their money and make sure they carry out what they are there to do. So we all have to do, as Adelina said, get out there and remind the Government who’s in control and demand change and protest in a non-violent way like not paying tax till they do as we the people want (Within reason).
Here’s Henry Thoreau’s essay in full, it’s far better than my blog! 

34 Responses to “Does voting achieve anything?”

  1. Gena said

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  2. Pete said

    Hey Phil,
    Thanks for dropping by….yea, adelina clearly didn\’t like this blog as much as the last one….hee hee.
    I wrote a blog a couple of months ago about the smoking ban and will be updating it in the next couple of weeks….will be interesting to see both our respective points of view…..and even at the time I commented on the certain aspects of the hypocrisy of it and lo and behold, some MP\’s don\’t believe they should oblige by it. I hang on to some MP\’s having a shred of decency because of my local MP but as time goes on, that diminishes….like I said, do they ever wonder why no one votes any more…the apathy is tangible.
    The national anthem thingy as you rightly pointed out, was written with my tongue firmly in my cheek. I do think the anthem is rubbish though and doesn\’t inspire the pariotism that others clearly do. But then, what would really be an appropriate anthem nowaday for this country?
    The reason why I made that suggestion about the muslims is simple. We make certain suggestions about them however innocuous for example, Jade Goody calling Shilpa Shetti \’Mrs Pompadom\’ and the whole country goes mad saying that Jade Goody is a racist. Some muslims claim that evidence was fabricated and MI5 were behind the bombings, and that\’s OK. You see what I mean?
    I know it was only a small minority that were polled and the british government forces are shady at best but its a tolerence of what each factor is saying. We as a nation are undergoing a ridiculous wave of political correctness in what we say, do or think and nobody bats an eyelid when the other factors make their claims….it\’s all wrong.
    As for the 2012 logo, Tian has already done one and we have sent it to Lord Coe…..
    Take care of yourself and love to the family and look forward to your blog

  3. Adelina said

    Hi Phil.
    Your comment is so intelligent as always.Yes,women are so silly that we always are talking about our feelings..he he
    But still I don\’t understand some people\’s way to behave.
    Anyway.I say to myself not to bother about it much.I have things more interesting to think about.
    Take care
    hey..I may leave some comments here tooo.My computer is going mad lately!!!!

  4. Pete said

    Hey Phil,
    Love the pistols border….
    It never ceases to amaze me…I did ask the girl at the council what happened to the sorted and re-cycled rubbish, now I am not so surprised why she wouldn\’t tell me…it\’s just a joke isn\’t it? Here we are all dutifully going about doing our bit, just so it can be dumped in another country…
    Same for our MP\’s, once again, flaunting the very laws they pass. I have said before that the blanket smoking ban is facist and unnecessary and there could have been compromise but no, they go the whole hog and then complain that they can\’r be arsed going outside to smoke, because they work long hours!! I would love to get a picture of an MP smoking in their office and also finding its an MP who voted for the ban, there will be anarchy!! Finally what kind if example do they set, their defiance will be the defiance of others too and as you quite rightly say, others will ignore the ban.
    Anyhoo, have a good day, enjoy the sunshine whilst your out in the garden and be good..
    When\’s the next blog due, it\’s been over a month!!
    Love to you and yours

  5. ... Angelwitch said

    Hey Phil  🙂
    love the new background..
    is the hamster still alive lol..? our bird\’s declared war on the new windows we\’ve got the little sod\’s chewing up the handle and trims on the things…never mind they only cost two grand eh?
    tempted to strangle him but his feathers are bad because Rich went in hospital years ago for six months and because he was gone and he\’s the only person max gets on with he plucked himself bald with stress and what you see now is permenant damage..well he\’s happy now at least..
    Finally saw Dr Who last night and yes it was well done, next weeks  looks intersting though..
    and as for motorhead lemmy never describes himself as metal or punk to be fair, oh well whatever makes him happy eh?
    [audio src="http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/10/10/277188/04%20United%20Abominations.mp3" /]
    hope the links work its the lyrics and the song United Abominations from Megadeth you\’d be interested in..
    have a great week and don\’t let the hamster win..

  6. Adelina said

    Hey Phil!
    Thanks for passing by.
    Take care

  7. Gena said

    ~Hi..hunni..what have you been up to??
    begin of the weeke today..wish you have a beautiful week ..LOL..
    Take care would like to give you the very big kiss..~
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  8. ♪CoNni£ said

    hey there! how are  you mate?
    I like the background that you have for yourspace (Y).I may read the new blog as soon as possible.About being raised by the islanders…well somethig similar happned to me, my grandma was the one who raised me with catholict believes. Whatver… did your parents ever forced on you any religion?
    Oh,theres another qustion for ya:  how can you manage to write an answer the blogs and comments? cos im clogged  with this space on the msn,.. as you can notice I havent updated it for some time and  I just made two other blogs: one called metroflog and vampirefreaks, hope i can get along with 3… but i\’ll be gad if you recomend me something to get orginized..
    well, take care and greetings to your family…. cya! 🙂

  9. Pete said

    No need to apologise Phil, if anything I should because my reply was a bit rude. The exclamation marks were because it seems that lately, every time you say hello, something is going on. Anyhoo, it was only an informal thing between me and my colleagues to sort out cover for someone who is retiring and as of yesterday, hadn\’t been replaced. Maybe one day, the timing will be good….
    Anyhoo, your points…
    I am not going to write another word about BB, I think we agree and enough has been said.
    You were pretty critical of the swiss and in many ways, quite rightly so, but I think their stance on this issue is commendable. I have done a little reading on the matter and it appears that it is one instance in a long line of problems between swiss authorities and the muslim communities that reside there. For all the rights and wrongs of it I think the important thing is that the country is intent on not losing its identity and is quite rightly saying if you want to come and live here, respect our culture and identity. They have given the muslims the right to build their places of worship and are resisting any attempts by the muslims to push things further. I am going to doo a bit more research on this and no doubt, write an entry about it. I get the feeling there is a story to be told.
    The showing of pictures of Diana in the car crash for me are quite justified because we are talking about a woman who manipulated media coverage of every aspect of her life. I have actually seen the pictures a couple of years ago on a website and to be honest, they don\’t really reveal much. If anything, the case not to show the pictures is more appropriate because it gives this woman more publicity, even in death than because of whether they are tasteful and who they might offend. I guarantee there will be complaints, some people clearly do not know how to change channel on their TV!
    The pictures in todays paper of the McCanns with the pope sicken me. A friend of mine made the interesting observation that would have Maddie\’s disappearance gathered so much exposure if she wasn\’t so pretty. I dismissed it at first but now, I think I get what he is saying. You\’re on the ball there, so much goes on in the world yet the media only ever seems to focus on one isolated incident, here\’s a thought….Are they staying right on top of this because they know something we don\’t? I have seen on one forum the suggestion that there are some things about the case the portuguese authorities are highly suspicious about and have actually asked the media to keep the situation at the for front of people\’s minds….we will wait and see…..
    I know you have a lack of trust in the police and I do agree that awarding them with more power could be very dangerous. But the police is all we have in terms of law and order and as we agree that they are burdened with too much red tape and forms to fill in, we can only hope that being empowered to act accordingly and effectively  to situations rather than having their hands tied, might begin to work. I am sure bobbies are frustrated as hell with their jobs and I honestly believe that there are people in the force who genuinely want to uphold the law and do the right thing, despite or bad experiences, and I have had one too, we need to give them some support.
    Glad to hear you are ok and I really hope the new meds work.
    Take care and speak soon

  10. Pete said

    Hey Phil,
    Got my computer fixed at home. PC world actually did well to get someone to me at the time they promised and with the right part too. Job done in less than 10 minutes…….maybe they have heard of me!
    I cannot agree more with your thoughts about the royals. I can think of far better reasons to spend the money us taxpayers have to hand over to pay for the upkeep of these parasites but in the meantime they are here, things aren\’t going to change any time soon and if they are going to hand out gongs, at least hand them out to people who deserve them and not those with the most money to lend to the labour party.
    I think you noticed my tongue was firmly in my cheek when I mentioned BB, you know I really don\’t care although the odd murder, rape and pillage might make it worthwhile viewing. I daresay though, that some minor occurence will be blown out of all porportion and we will have to suffer the fall out. My space will definately be a BB free zone, no worries there.
    You should go to the odd job interview just for the hell of it. It would be amusing to see the interviewer quaking in their boots at the sight of someone who isn\’t giving the \’by the numbers\’ answers. I agree with what you say Phil, but sadly, sometimes in life and when you are trying to make things a little better for yourself you have to step out of the real you and be an arse licking sychophant
    and say everything you think they want to hear you say…I\’ve had to because let\’s face it…some people can\’t deal in honesty.
    Hope you\’re OK and the old illnesses are at bay at the moment
    Catch up with you soon
    Love to you and yours

  11. ... Angelwitch said

    Hey Phil  🙂
    lol I read about the hamster..reminds me of the story about our parrot and the surround sound system..
    Rich had a war film on with guns and helicopters and so on and Max was screaming \’quiet!\’ relentlesly,
    anyway the sound suddenly cuts out, he\’s only leant across from his cage and chomped through the wires…
    I\’ve found a brilliand use for the song Overkill, when i get those yobs sitting outside our house I open a window and crank that up full blast lol..they\’re gone before the song finishes lol.. works every time
    I\’ve got the new Megadeth album at the mo, it\’s called united abominations and it\’s got some very clever songs on there pointing out the general ineptness of the UN and so on, the music might not be your cup of tea but some of the lyrics haha
    had that meeting the other day, was quite reassuring really because the lady who deals with it has never had anyone come in and object since civil partnerships came in the other year, and the only objections that can be made with any grounding are the same as for a wedding, y\’know like if one\’s already married or one\’s under age and so on so we can sleep easy now..
    anyway have a great weekend and don\’t get too wet
    take care

  12. Amanda said

    Hello Phil,
    Just to let you know i was here my friend. Hope all is well.
    Take care,
    Love Mandy Marie xx

  13. Pete said

    Hey Phil,
    Good to see you back again and that your computer is at least not crashing. Mine has had a hard drive failure, although it was good enough to warn me it was about to do t, so at least I managed to salvage all my documents and pictures. I also took the liberty of removing all evidence that I download films and any other incriminating evidence because we all know what the nice people from PC world are like…….
    I had a look at capitalism and it was pretty much what I thought it was, at least now I can have those conversations with a degree of confidence!!
    I am glad you agree that we shouldn\’t be told what to wear but it\’s important that these people recognise their are certain aspects of our society that veil wearing isn\’t appropriate and that should be honoured. I have been trying to find out when this insane attitude to political correctness began and why we are where we are. I agree with you, this reluctance to tackle any issues that may be perceived as racist is getting beyond a joke but I was intruiged as to what prompted this nonsensical attitude. So far all I have found are some unbelievable examples of political correctness which I think I will have to publish sometime next week. BUt I am firmly with you, it\’s not racist to ralk about race, its not bigotry to talk about religion and its not discriminatory to talk about disability.
    Have a good weekend and hopefully things will be a little quieter here next week, so we can have a chat
    Take care and love to you and yours

  14. ... Angelwitch said

    Hey  Phil  😉
    i got hold of that song, It does sound a bit like something they\’d do…apart from the vocals lol.. not the first time Motorhead\’s done a song that sounds a bit maiden…they did a song years ago called Shine that sounds a lot like Sanctuary by Maiden
    I\’m listening to Kingdom of the Worm at the mo..it reminds me of Master of puppets by metallica, it\’s not that the actual song sounds similar but more the theme I suppose, great song though..
    True about what you said about the Sark, it does put things into perspective, but it\’s a wonderfully preserved piece of history and if people are right and it was arson, it\’ll cheese me off because no one seems to have much respect about anything in our country, past or present..
    well we\’ve got a big meeting about the wedding tomorrow and when that\’s done and sorted that\’s pretty much done and sorted now..
    have a great day pc permitting…tell me about Norton, can\’t fault it for protecting the pc but it does eat up  a lot or resources and yeah i\’d like to kick it out a window at times..lol..

  15. hiu kwan said

    thx phil,i jus read ur comments,im goin bacl 2 hk 4 my holiday next month,lookin 4ward 2 meet my family..
    wish u a lovely summer holiday, btw got any plan 4 ur holiday?

  16. ... Angelwitch said

    Hey  Phil  🙂
    Dr Who was on last night, had a rather curious ending though if you haven\’t seen it yet I won\’t say anymore for now, but yeah seeing Scooch instead was a VERY poor substitute..loved the songs by the way, i\’ll have to go looksie when I\’m out later on though I\’m very curious about this Motorhead song that sounds like Maiden, what\’s the title?
     i have to admit even though Lemmy and Motorhead definitely have their own unique style i don\’t always like the music, but lyrically they\’re one of the best I\’ve ever heard, let\’s face it, if and when Lemmy does go we can safely say he went out on his own terms doing all he loved most, now how many people can say that about their lives?,
    besides he might do what my granddad has done and defy the doctors for aother 20 years yet lol..my Granddad doesn\’t have a world class drink/ drugs problem though that said he\’s on so many different pills now it\’s a wonder he doesn\’t get pulled over by the police on suspicion of dealing haha.. 
    as for the wedding? only a month to go now, we\’re geting a few things today, tomorrow we\’re out with our best man to talk about things and on thursday we\’re at the registry office to take care of something so a busy week..
    anyway, take it easy and don\’t let Lemmy make your ears bleed too much pmsl..

  17. Gena said

    ~Hiya!!..prince Phil,
       I dont really like Government here
    Take money from my mom very much
    but health care not so good..
    In a year my mom have to paid 3 times too bad
    ..them should have know.every one have many things
    to look after ..
    Take care
    Much love..XXXXXXXXX

  18. Pete said

    Hey Phil,
    Interesting stuff as always.
    My view of the \’open door\’ policy is based simply on my perception that anyone seems to get in and of course we bend over backwards to help them, whether they should be here or not. I am well aware that there are resolututions and laws in place to manage the flow of immigrants around the world and that every country should take their fair share, but clearly it isn\’t working and the monitoring of this activity isn\’t happening.
    In truth, I have little concern for what is happening elsewhere because I know immigrants head to these shores above anywhere else because we simply are too easy to get in, too easy to stay in andfar too easy to get money from. England is percieved a s rich country, even though we are nothing more than a small, island nation but the welfare state as it stands now has to be available to all. The reason why the states moved away from welfare and free health care was a measure to combat increasing tides of immigrants, but of course the often mentioned tree huggers ensure that healthcare, food, accomadation and money, is available to those who needs it and therefore counter acting the attempts to stem the tide.
    Since the 50\’s there have been labour shortages that have lead to invitations to residents of other countries to come and fill the gaps. That is the reason why I am here because my parents came and to be honest, I absolutely welcome it. If people are in this country legally, they contribute to all aspects of the economy and ensures the welfare is balanced and well provided for. That works and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that apart from BNP nazi fuck\’s, no-one has any real issue with that. Capitalism creates this need and there is more than enough to support its ever growing development, but the sheer numbers of those not a part of this system, not here to provide and contribute are the one\’s that create the imbalances in society that I write so frequently about.
    The management and control of immigration is a mess. The government think there maybe up to 250,000 illegals in this country and you know those figures will be wrong. I\’d like to know how many are here and doing nothing other than scrounging off the state, that really would make interesting reading.
    Phil, you know sometimes when you read a small article in a newspaper, don\’t really think much of it and then months, even years down the line it becomes a massive issue. Several London councils have written to the government because the influxes of immigrants are not being measured properly and therefore distorting their figures for provisions of services and if they don\’t get more money from central government, they will have to make substantial increases to council tax. The problem apparently, the numbers of immigrants are only measured at airports, and given that many come in by sea, rail and road, it is causing huge inbalances. Now that\’s a real worry because if only one means is being used to measure the flow,  I suppose that will apply to the rest of the country too, we are heading for a big almighty mess and I know I wont take a hike in council tax because of the miscalculation of immigrants in my air, with anything that resembles good grace.
    Finally in terms of the whether immigrants should be guests or residents. It should be simple really. Come to this country, work, contribute, learn the language and become a valued and upstanding member of the community then being granted residency after say 3 years should be acceptable and that would include the right to vote. Up to that point anyone should be considered a guest and like any guest in any environment, if they are not welcome, for whatever reason, they should be made to leave.
    I wont comment on capitalism because in truth, I do not understand the pure essense of it but I will find out and then consider your thoughts and views, but I know from thi, your entries and comments, it is something that you feelvery strongly about.
    Have a great day and love to you and yours

  19. Pete said

    Hey Phil,
    After I published the e-mail and the reply I had a thought. I should have let you reply to it! So when I came to read your comment today I KNOW I should have let you reply to it. Thanks, my friend.
    I was going to mention how I could I be racist and a religious bigot when one of the people I communicate regularly with, one of my friends is a black christian. The reason I didn\’t is that in fact my best friend of 30 years or more is black and I tend not to bang on about that with discussions about race issues, never mind accusations that I am racist. Perhaps I should have done and published a picture of the time I was standing as god parent at his daughters christening!
    Whoever it is doesn\’t really hold much weight in their arguments or points of view and you and a couple of others pointed out that they clearly didn\’t read my entries accurately, but above all else, they are a coward. Hopefully the comments I have had will bring them out again.
    Thanks again Phil and you can be sure if you ever need support, I will be there for you
    Take care

  20. ... Angelwitch said

    Oh how the worm turns lol…
    all this  kerfuffle about the cash ofr peerages which may or may not be true (yet) andwhile thi a was all going on the tories have apparently been accepting money froma company who are making money out of a regeme which is commiting genocied on a daily basis, oh politics are such  a laugh sometimes..
     I agree new punk music is dead really, it\’s all been done by the greats like the Pistols the Damned the Clash and so on
    Lemmy\’s a legend, how the hell is he still alive I\’ll never know but they\’ve done some great songs down the years, Talking head, bad religion, orgasmatron they\’re classics
    i\’ll have to get my cd\’s out later
    have agret day phil
    there\’s a light in my heart that burns brighter than a candle and i want to share it with you and everyone I care for today…
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  21. Adelina said

    Hi Phil
    Kisses are always welcome..Thanks
    Dave is right.People is the one who has the key to change this world,but it is really hard make people understand.If you look around you,there is that kind of persons who only think on their own comfort and don\’t give a shit if the neighbour next door is going through a bad time .There are many people who won\’t ever leave their cars stoped at home and go to work by bus,just becouse they feel different to the rest of people(dirty and smelling people),so they keep contributing to keep the roads full of cars,use more petrol and in that way,givin the chance to the big ones to keep making money.Is just an example.
    The problem with human being is that thinks (the majority) they are special and uniques.That other people is the one who makes the world go wrong and that they are always right about everything.In that way -never-is the world going to be a better place.
    Take care

  22. Faery said

    and i really do hate msn sometimes…sorry for the multiple…

  23. Faery said

    and i really do hate msn sometimes…sorry for the multiple…

  24. spice said

    Right, Phil, first things first.  Did you get the message I sent you about a music source? OK, then I\’ll begin.
    Does democracy work any more? The answer has to be a resounding NO! It certainly doesn\’t work as it\’s supposed to do and it\’s now easily deflected from it\’s intended aims of electing a representative to voice the views of the majority of people within a constituancy. So where do we go now? Direct action isn\’t an option – people wouldn\’t be willing risk being the ones who are sacrificed – a few would – but the majority of people don\’t feel so committed. Court appearances, fines and possible jail time are far too extreme for the ordinary voter and there has to be an alternative to anything that borders on illegality or civil disobedience.
    Having given it some thought, I do believe that in the near future there could be a way to steer the government away from unpopular policies and oppressive legislation – and in a way it\’s already been done. How? Simply pressurise those who are the main beneficiaries of the goverment\’s policy, namely the corporate giants who are the real power behind the legislators in the developed nations. In a consumer society such as ours the consumer is the real power broker. If we don\’t buy things the businesses suffer and they will, in turn, pressure the government to to encourage the consumer to resume spending.  If it were possible to mobilise the population into withholding the single thing that all businesses need – i.e. money – you would soon see a change in the way the government behaves toward the electorate.
    Take the price of fuel. If you could ever persuade people to halve their weekly fuel consumption you would see the government lose a considerable amount of tax and the oil companies lose a lot of profit. Don\’t you think that things would quickly change and that there would be a reduction in both the government\’s tax level on the product and a very quick acceptance of a lower profit margins by the oil companies?
    Similarly with the utility companies and the price of their products, same with car prices, clothes, music, drinks and so on. Of course, the big problem is how you would get people to actually realise that they have this power and the difficulty of then getting them to actually make a sacrifice. Only this time all you\’re asking people to do is to sacrifice a little comfort and convenience. We both know that this is never going to happen. Asking people to be a little less self indulgent in order to try and contribute to a better nation is an impossible dream – but the result of not doing so will, in the long run, create a future which has the potential to become much less convenient, less comfortable, with more danger and far less freedom than there is today.
    I\’m not quiite sure how it would be possible to harness the withholding of spending and link it to specific policies of the government, but I do know that when money talks, people listen. Perhaps the wallet could be the new ballot box.

  25. Amanda said

    Hiya Phil,
    Ok, i tried to wade my way through all this blog, but my eyes couldnt take the strain.  What a lot you have to say for yourself….  but from what i could make out (and i\’m not political, as you know) you think on behalf of all the nation….  ( Except those with their heads already stuck up the arses of such said ones you talk of here.
    Yes, i agree with what you say, (that of which i could understand ! )  Total knobheads, who needs a government like that, or anyone in power that only has their own interests at heart ??  But will we ever see the day where we finally have those in power actually working and giving us what we all want ??… NOPE !!…  it aint happening.  
    Maybe in another life, thats when we get whats due….
    Phil, i am out of my depth here, i know that, you know that too, but still i have to feel like i have had a rave on about something, ( if thats what you call it LOL !!! )
    Catch you on msn soon eh ??
    Take care,
    Love Mandy Marie xx

  26. Pete said

    Sorry I forgot a couple of points. A hands free smoking kit, excellent idea and well worth looking into.We all know its just another way to get money, pick on the smokers. I\’ll give up, that will cost the government thousands every year and if hundreds of thousands of us do it, that will hurt!
    As for the e-mail, its a bit mysterious because I cannot reply to it and the address is just a jumble of letters and numbers. So I will publish the e-mail and my intended reply and see what happens. Whoever it is, they are a coward and a fool
    Take care

  27. Pete said

    Hey Phil,
    Hope you are well. Thought I would get a reply in for you many points on the last two comments you have made.
    I think copyright infringement is something that is going to be more closely looked at in the future but the authorities will target the ordinary joe\’s like me because we are easy pickings. Microsoft, apple, sun and all the computer manufacturers are more liable because they put the technology to commit these \’crimes\’ at our finger tips. Lars and the others who object to downloading should have a long hard look at themselves and concede that years of over priced music and films for that matter has meant people are looking for cheaper options. The only reason people create websites where you can download music and films, is to stick two fingers up at the industries. Embrace it and work with, bring your prives down to something that actually reflects the cost of the DVD or CD and try making good music that people will buy because they want it rather than half baked shit because you can\’t be arsed any more.
    Your answer to my question, \’where has it all gone wrong\’ is nothing short of brilliant. I was really amazed with the clarity and understanding you give to the situation and why we are in the mess we are in although ultimately it is our open door policy that is the problem. I think ultimately the main point I was trying to make was that oncve upon a time, it was tough to get into the UK and you only could under certain consitions and more importantly, they were never allowed to forget they were guests in someone else\’s country.
    I am still pondering over the mass action that could be taken that would only affect the government and not everyone else. To act obviously some sacrifice would have to be made but as yet I am drawing a blank on this.Most people have their tax deducted before they have their wages paid and they cannot really do anything about it and of course it is likely pay no tax and you wont get your tax credits. I think a tax protest is a non starter, I am going to ponder on this a little more but the only way it will work is if everyone does it and I mean, everyone.
    When I was thinking about the \’fate\’ the phrase cause and effect came to mind, unfortunately when it came to writing the piece I forgot all about it but it is probably the more concise way of putting fate into perspective. You do something it makes something else happen, its so simple. Like I said, no one ever says it was fate that they lost a close relative in a car accident!
    Thanks as always for your comments. I am trying to do things a little differently, hence the slightly shorter piece and comments on recent news. Recently the stuff I have been writing has been taking up much of my time along with writing replies to comments etc. With work, my writing course and the bits I am writing to try and get published its all getting too much so I have made concessions in all areas, but I am sure from time to time I will through in the big hitter for good measure.
    Take care and speak soon
    Love to you and yours

  28. Gena said

    ~Hiya!!…wishing U having a great week..Big kiss~
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  29. Adelina said

    Hello Phil
    Good to hear from you again and thanks for your comments.
    It is for sure that not all women has that maternal instinct and I think every woman should think before to have children if that is what they really want,becouse to bring humans up to this world it is a hard work and not everybody has the ability to do it.And about fathers,well is the same ,but still there are the few ones who run away from their responsabilities and believe a child is just something that belongs only to women.
    I think there should be a change about who must govern a council or a country.And that has to start from us,the ones are giving them the chance to be in that position.We should ask to make their campaigns closer to people and let us to discuss with them which things are wrong and how have to be done.They should listen to  people and we are the ones to make them know we are fed up the way they do things.But how to do it when people is tired to listen the same old rubbish for years and see so much corruption ?
    I would like to find the answer.
    This world is going mad and at the end everyone try to make his/her oewn life asbest as they can,don\’t care anymore about voting and leave the matter going with the wind.
    Take care
    We have to talk to politicians face to face and they have to listen to us,but for that

  30. ... Angelwitch said

    haha lol I wondered where you disappeared Phil..  🙂
    the poll tax, ah yes i\’ve seen many an archive on the telley about that…wonder if we could get away with doing the same about council tax? the parrallels are there, it\’s not done on the ability to pay so it\’s grossly unfair to many people and we are seeing in the last couple of years many an OAP especially making a stand in the courts over the issue, in the next couple of years i could see that kick off in much the same way…that said over in France they sem to riot over everything yet nothing ever seems to change, though i\’m not an authority on french politics and i may have not seen the bigger picture…
    the local elections always get overshadowed by the larger political picture, my area for instance the tories have done their best to wreck anything and everything yet because labour is in the shit left right and center about iraq and so on people get mixed up and end up voting for the conservatives, the very people they\’ve been bitching about messing up the local area in the first place so we\’ve got another four years of lunacy because no one\’s really bothered to put the time in and properly campaign on local issues..
    and to think I only bothered  voting to keep out knuckle dragging boneheads like the BNP…
    oh well great blog at any rate, i hope you\’re ok phil and you have a great weekend..

  31. Pete said

    Hey Phil
    Good to see you back on form again and filling our minds with your intelligent views.
    I had a good long read of it and I cannot find anything I disagree with. First and foremost I think the electorate are really coming to terms with the fact that governments, ministers, councils simply acheive nothing for the electorate, they don\’t deal with issues that affect the voters and any action that is taken, is always geared to gain votes rather than working for the communities they serve.
    The only real benefactors are the businessmen who sponsor and support candidates who can call in a few favours once election is secured. The whole system is corrupt and a complete nonsense and needs to be radically overhauled.
    The country is suffering from a huge wave of apathy, nobody really cares any more and if anything, this is clearly demostrated by the dwindling voters numbers that are evident in both local and national elections. All that adds up to is that the party that manages to get the most people of their backsides and into the booths are the winners, whether they are the right choice or not. I stand testement to that because I didn\’t vote last week, I simply don\’t care any more because who ever runs our local council, will find moe and more ways to cut essential services and re-direct the money to pacify the political correctness brigade in some meanigless attempt to make integration our responsibility.
    The last time the barriers were broke down as you quite rightly identified, was the resistance to the poll tax. It was undoubtably the most unfair and ridiculous form of taxation ever introduced and I always maintain that it was withdrawn because of the sheer numbers of people refusing to pay it, rather than the riots and of course, not pay the poll tax, not vote tory in the next election. All taxation is unpopular but this one was simply beyond all comprehension. Even I went to court for refusing to pay my poll tax and would have happily gone to prison for not doing so, problem for the courts was that even on that particular day there was 50 people who were of the same opinion as me, I can\’t imagine what the total figures would have been.
    How the landscape can be improved now is a little difficult to imagine. There is no particularly disliked form of taxation or legislation at the moment which the electorate can rebel against. People are unhappy about so many things it is difficult to know where to start. Immigration, social disorder and crime, housing, tax credits, the iraq war, political correctness, positive discrimination. There are so many aspects that affect our society and in some cases blight them, it has taken the wind out of the sails of most people who are happy to settle for the status quo. It suits the government of course but then, even they are smart enough not to make the same mistake as the poll tax. Problem is for them though, is that the apathy is now beginning to affect the likely hood of them winning the next general election, new leader or not. Expect a few voter pleasing bills flying through parliament in the coming months.
    I agree local councils should have more autonomy for their areas and whether it is a mayor, or some form of leader who is totally accountable for the performance of their area, and yes, if they fail, never given the opportunity to stand again.
    Would it be a good idea to also elect a commitee that represents a cross section of the community. Normal people almost on a jury service basis. People who don\’t have business interests or an inclination to make rich people richer. I agree different areas and the beliefs of different leaders could be an issue but if a sound way to elect a cross section of the populous was found, there could be some value in it.
    Finally I really believe that the government would listen but absolutely everyone would need to take part. It is difficult not to pay tax because it is taken at source. A complete refusal of everyone to pay council tax would put schools and other essential services in crisis. So there must be one way that would have a huge impact on the government and like you and Adelina says, remind them who is actually in charge. I will have to give a little thought to this but I am sure that I could come up with something.
    Enjoyed reading your work as always, definately worth the wait
    Take care and love to you and yours

  32. Nicky said

    Wow Phil- a lot to get through there 😀
    This reminded me of an argument I had with my mother about voting when I was 18. I went to a lot of trouble to be registered to vote, yet, when voting day came by, I didn\’t go.
    My mother, having been born during WW2 and brought up in its aftermath, was adamant that, since people had fought for this country to have freedom, that not voting was a waste of freedom and my rights.
    I explained, in no uncertain terms, that my vote WAS used. Being registered to vote, yet not casting one, is putting my name down on a list of people that are clearly dissatisfied with the choices they\’ve been offered. I firmly believe that casting a vote for "the guy who\’s not so bad" is a million times worse. Yes, people died for my freedom and died for my vote, which is why I refuse to throw it away on someone I don\’t believe is up to the job.
    I like Sir Spice\’s idea, but local government is every bit as corrupt as their seniors in power. Really, it does not matter which level the judgement on performance is made, as long as that is the driving force behind gaining "power" in the country.
    I also like the concept that the public should have a say in payment of officials, etc. It\’s a long lost idea in this country that the government are here to serve the people, not the other way around. We are THEIR employers, not the employees.
    However, for any of these solutions to work, and I believe in theory they would, it would still be necessary to bring in a government of decent, worthy individuals who could instigate such changes. I doubt to be honest that a decent alternative to the current slime in power will arise in my lifetime or even ever, but if it does, that vote I\’ve got will be cast for the first time.

  33. bobby said

    lol-nice post today hehehe-
    Generally speaking,election is just a trick "under"the wear of democracy~~u have a keen eye on this topic
    take care
    hope talk soon xxx
    hugs and kisses

  34. spice said

    Great blog, Phil. Really excellent and thanks for the heads up with my quote.  I\’ll be back with a full comment once I\’ve had time to think about what you\’ve said. Dave.

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