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Freedom Of Expression and The Danish Muhammed Cartoons.

Posted by DeadAnarchistPhil on January 21, 2008

Hiya everyone! Time for my first post of 2008. Well… I still aint 100% and any future blogs written by me will be most likely short as I can’t think straight. Yes I can comment on other people’s blogs but that’s easier for me than writing a blog of my own.
Anyway… I found this on a MySpace blog and thought it was a good read and a good opportunity to get your opinions on the subject of freedom of expression. Now personally I think anything goes as regards to freedom of expression and speech. I could go in to why but I don’t want to taint your opinion with mine… so time to think for yourselves! Tell me what you think!
By Ibn Warraq

Best-selling author and Muslim dissident Ibn Warraq argues that freedom of expression is our western heritage and we must defend it against attacks from totalitarian societies. If the west does not stand in solidarity with the Danish, he argues, then the Islamization of Europe will have begun in earnest.

Ibn Warraq: “How can we expect immigrants to integrate into western society when they are at the same time being taught that the west is decadent, a den of iniquity, the source of all evil, racist, imperialist and to be despised?” The great British philosopher John Stuart Mill wrote in On Liberty, “Strange it is, that men should admit the validity of the arguments for free discussion, but object to their being ‘pushed to an extreme’; not seeing that unless the reasons are good for an extreme case, they are not good for any case.”

The cartoons in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten raise the most important question of our times: freedom of expression. Are we in the west going to cave into pressure from societies with a medieval mindset, or are we going to defend our most precious freedom — freedom of expression, a freedom for which thousands of people sacrificed their lives?

A democracy cannot survive long without freedom of expression, the freedom to argue, to dissent, even to insult and offend. It is a freedom sorely lacking in the Islamic world, and without it Islam will remain unassailed in its dogmatic, fanatical, medieval fortress; ossified, totalitarian and intolerant. Without this fundamental freedom, Islam will continue to stifle thought, human rights, individuality; originality and truth.

Unless, we show some solidarity, unashamed, noisy, public solidarity with the Danish cartoonists, then the forces that are trying to impose on the Free West a totalitarian ideology will have won; the Islamization of Europe will have begun in earnest. Do not apologize.

This raises another more general problem: the inability of the West to defend itself intellectually and culturally. Be proud, do not apologize. Do we have to go on apologizing for the sins our fathers? Do we still have to apologize, for example, for the British Empire, when, in fact, the British presence in India led to the Indian Renaissance, resulted in famine relief, railways, roads and irrigation schemes, eradication of cholera, the civil service, the establishment of a universal educational system where none existed before, the institution of elected parliamentary democracy and the rule of law? What of the British architecture of Bombay and Calcutta? The British even gave back to the Indians their own past: it was European scholarship, archaeology and research that uncovered the greatness that was India; it was British government that did its best to save and conserve the monuments that were a witness to that past glory. British Imperialism preserved where earlier Islamic Imperialism destroyed thousands of Hindu temples.

On the world stage, should we really apologize for Dante, Shakespeare, and Goethe? Mozart, Beethoven and Bach? Rembrandt, Vermeer,  Van Gogh, Breughel, Ter Borch? Galileo, Huygens, Copernicus, Newton and
Darwin? Penicillin and computers? The Olympic Games and Football? Human rights and parliamentary democracy? The west is the source of the liberating ideas of individual liberty, political democracy, the rule of law, human rights and cultural freedom. It is the west that has raised the status of women, fought against slavery, defended freedom of enquiry, expression and conscience. No, the west needs no lectures on the superior virtue of societies who keep their women in subjection, cut off their clitorises, stone them to death for alleged adultery, throw acid on their faces, or deny the human rights of those considered to belong to lower castes.

The Cartoon Jihad: Did European newspapers make the right decision by reprinting controversial Danish caricatures that disparagingly depicted the Prophet Muhammad?

How can we expect immigrants to integrate into western society when they are at the same time being taught that the west is decadent, a den of iniquity, the source of all evil, racist, imperialist and to be despised? Why should they, in the words of the African-American writer James Baldwin, want to integrate into a sinking ship? Why do they all want to immigrate to the west and not Saudi Arabia? They should be taught about the centuries of struggle that resulted in the freedoms that they and everyone else for that matter, cherish, enjoy, and avail themselves of; of the individuals and groups who fought for these freedoms and who are despised and forgotten today; the freedoms that the much of the rest of world envies, admires and tries to emulate.” When the Chinese students cried and died for democracy in Tiananmen Square (in 1989) , they brought with them not representations of Confucius or Buddha but a model of the Statue of Liberty.”

Freedom of expression is our western heritage and we must defend it or it will die from totalitarian attacks. It is also much needed in the Islamic world. By defending our values, we are teaching the Islamic world a valuable lesson, we are helping them by submitting their cherished traditions to Enlightenment values.



39 Responses to “Freedom Of Expression and The Danish Muhammed Cartoons.”

  1. jiggy said

    hi phil lol no think you getting mixed up with party in the park??  T in the Park is a major music festival that has been held annually in Scotland since 1994. It is named after its main sponsor, the brewing company Tennents. It was originally held at Strathclyde Park, but since 1997 has been held next to a disused airfield in Balado, Kinross-shire. anyway how are you ? causing havok i expect hehe no like you lol the bird with the bum thats me pmsl you believe me? lol why not lol and  the comment i got i know hes one of the odd balls took no heed of him had a few other comments was just saying to pete see he has a few  what an attention seeker he is pmsl did he say pete was beautiful lol dont tell him i said  he kick jiggys tartan ass lol have a nice week phil hope your well better no call you pete lol called him phil other day lmao  tc hugz jiggy xxx

  2. Pete said

    You miserable bugger!!  Hee Hee
    I understand completely where you are coming from to be honest….in the real world I only actually have a handful of people I truly define as freinds….sure I know a lot of people through social, school, works, friends friends etc. etc. But in terms of real friends…I have very few and that is exactly how I like it.
    I know people who spend all their time making friends with people they barely know – sure it is sociable  but personally I think it is a sign of insecurity. I know one person who used to call me from time to time asking about the family and stuff and once when I changed phones and she rang me – she didn\’t understand why I didn\’t recognise her when she called and I said I had lost all my names and numbers and was in the process of putting my friends in……at that point I told her I didn\’t really see her as a friend – just someone I knew who rang me from time to time – promised to meet for coffee sometime, then I wouldn\’t hear from them again for 6 months….I explained that to me, it wasn\’t really the basis of a friendship. She was upset and offended and upset by it and I haven\’t heard from her since but I think that she is like the people on spaces who just invite you to be their friend before any other form of contact……….just another number.
    I am sure as you get better and maybe get out a little more……there are people around who you could be friends with, could be trusted and the important measure that I use when determining whether someone is a friend…..whether they bring some value to your life……..
    Take care my friend

  3. ... Angelwitch said

    Morning phil  🙂
    well i\’m supposed to be defending myself today, so far the only defending i\’ve done is to the tune of raising my
    middle finger to thier excuse for a court. fact of the matter is there\’s nothing for me to defend, nothing for me to feel guilt over, i\’ll do the exact same again if the situation ever arises, and the only judgement i give a damn about is the judgement of my friends.
    no doubt it\’ll anoy them even further but hey.
    i\’ve got bailiffs on my trail today and after i\’ve written this i\’m off to the bookies to make an enquiry as to what the odds are on them claiming to be sending the T1000 after me tomorrow lol… I might get rich out of this after all haha…
    Damn, you mean i could have sued someone for when i fracutred my wrist playing hockey at school? haha
    you know what, it\’s annoyed me i never looked at the problem in the way you and Pete have both told me,
    it\’s so glaringly obvious as well, lets kick all those stupid compensation ads back to stateside where they\’ve came from
    i have to restrain richard from throwing things at the telly when those ads come up, they annoy him so much.
    oh well enough of victimising dumb animals for one day,
    i\’m off to do something constructive
    hope you have fun mate, take care

  4. ✿Livvy said

    Hi Phil,
    Thank you so much for your New Year wish! Actually tomorrow is the New Year Eve, and we\’re going to make dumplings at home.  The moon cakes are just for the Moon Festival around the month of September.  :))) But it\’s good that you still remember that!
    How come I didn\’t  see your new post of the year? I should be able to see it since you\’re on my  Friend\’s List. I\’ll read it when I have time…:P
    Have  a nice week and take care! ^o^

  5. ... Angelwitch said

    Hey Phil  🙂
    what is it with us pissing Americans off all the time?, didn\’t the judge last time make it clear it\’s unsporting on our part on the fact that we have a thing between our ears that we\’re all to able to use, namely our brains? lol
    hahaha that was brilliant re-write and no doubt that earn you a trial of your own now…
    bet that\’s made you quake in your boots? or at least about as much as Osuji claiming to have a PI tracking me down…?
    nice but i have swords and rich has a shotgun license, i\’ll say no more than i still run on the addage that and englishmans home is his castle, even though to claim to be english is tantamount to being racist these days eh?
    hope you had fun with the weights, take it easy mate

  6. Pete said

    I have just been reading your comments from some people who have responded to your defence of chris……..some people really do have too much time on their hands don\’t they? Blimey – they are all yanks too…….whadda ya know…
    Take care

  7. Pete said

    Sorry to hear about the bobbie thing…I remember you have mentioned her a couple of times and you seemed quite keen on her. Sadly she seemed to be playing games with you and as a result it hurts……..better off out of it and be grateful that you found out before things got too serious.
    12 months ago I wouldn\’t have said it was possible to really have feelings for someone you met over the net but had not met in person but I have changed my mind a little about that. With what happened to my old friend who I seriously would have said he would be the last thing it would happen to…..for many, many reasons and also having experienced spaces for a year now and made some new friends and realising that I do care about them , that they are OK and happy………I wouldn\’t dismiss having strong feelings for someone but I haven\’t met anyone who makes me feel like that – nor am I looking….but I never say never.
    But I know the internet is a minefield of problems and people whose intentions are less than honourable…..I think it is really hard to make a completely accurate judgement about someone just through communication on the net and sometimes you just have to go with your gut instinct……but so far I have only come across one person who was a bit of a loony…….she went away when I just ignored her!!
    I\’m finishing the blog tomorrow……see what you think then.
    Have a good day

  8. ... Angelwitch said

    Heya phil  🙂
    oh no i\’m quaking in my boots on that one haha…they\’ve even got \’Jesus\’ on their side..
    and to cap things off i had a friend\’s invite from Osuji as well…talk about a deluded lot lol..
    nothing to be scared of, they\’re just implementing the default setting that most Americans seem to have when it comes to politics
    \’if you can\’t argue your way past a flip flop then bring  sexuality into it\’
    thank fuck we at least don\’t really do that anymore in our politics at least. Or the few who are follish enough to try will know these days the\’ll be out of a job rather too quickly.
    it quite nicely brings us back round to the subject of free speech though eh? free speech is one thing, using it to justify breaking the law isn\’t a defence that will hold up well in a real court of law. for example, if you went over to Germany and proclaim Hitler to be great, you\’d be execising your right to free speech under european law but you\’d also end up in jail for breaking the German law that forbids anything to do with the faschist past.
    besides, whenever a country speaks out against America they tend to turn round and proclaim them to be a terrorist state and a threat to their national security and bomb them….or try to at least if their smart bombs could hit a cow\’s arse with a bullseye painted on it.
    I\’m just glad we live 4000 miles away, and nearer and we\’d be in danger of catching stupidity off of them .
    oh well i\’d better go get ready for my \’court\’ appearance.
    see ya later mate, and thanks for being there for me

  9. Jesus said


  10. CAP'N said

    Many negative things have been said about me in recent posts. I can assure you I am not a \’hustler\’ nor con man, but an average soul trying to make ends meet, as it were here in Nigeria. I do not live a luxurious lifestyle as some would suggest. Far from it. I wish I were a member of the jet set, but fall short I\’m afraid.

  11. jiggy said

    ps like the music i got the stone roses aswell cool ytc jiggy xx

  12. jiggy said

    hi phil just read that comment you sent and i pmsl funny hay dogs on sarahs speed and the old guy well just doi ng the actions lol hehe take care jiggy xx

  13. Ian said

    Hey Phil,
    I gots sum rubbers and Viagra® for you an\’ yer inflatable love doll!!  Where do ya wants me to send \’em??

  14. Coffee said

    its gonna be "the Loo fer the Limeys"!! when the trial of AngelWitch is over***
    You will find out the hard way!***

  15. Coffee said

    its gonna be "the Loo fer the Limeys"!! when the trial of AngelWitch is over***
    You will find out the hard way!***

  16. jiggy said

    hi phil just passing glad you back on form well me i just say what i think and thats it like it or not cos whatever i say there will always be someone who dont like it tough aint it?  but yes there are limits and if i went down the council with my soap box and said what i realy think i may be arrested lol me thinks lol anyway have a great day jiggy xx

  17. The Divine Mrs M said

    Hi Phil,
    well I think,  <ahem>  lol   ;p
    If there is one thing that i have learned over the years, its that "appeasement" gets you nowhere FAST.
    i think, that you are better thought of, if you say what you really think, rather than what you expect people might want to hear.
    I believe in freedom of speech-because-if I was making a speech addressing a large public gathering, and i was mindful not to go "upsetting" folks. So i am very careful, I moderate my words, and I think ive done a good job at being tactful. Some of the audience might feel heartened. BUT I cant go pleasing everyone there can I?  so there are some who may take offence…..and all this when i was doing my utmost best to be careful whilst choosing my words.
    So I figure, Hey? I might as well speak out my honest thoughts, because there will be NO  pleasing all of the people, all of the time.
    I think tolerance is needed. on all sides. Tolerance is disappearing fast in this country.  We have this culture now of wanting to "sue" everybody.  If we as much as scrape our hand on a door handle-well? that would be good for a claim wouldnt it? Tolerance and courtesy are disappearing from our roads. So now weve got ROAD ROAGE.  where i believe freedom of speech is excercised, HEY? road rage might be our last bastion of free speech.
    not funny i suppose, given how serious road rage is. But i blame the lack of tolerance as an incriminating factor as to why free speech in this country is under great threat.
    I hope you will feel better soon phil, its GREAT to see you.  love to you and yours   🙂
    mags x

  18. Mole said

    Angelwitch has cried to all his friends for help.
    They dont realize what they are getting themselves into!It\’s interesting that pinkMashmallowboy has whined to all his cronies to go to Bloggerhelpers.
    I believe that would be considered an MSN COC Violation and he might just find himself getting a letter from MSN!

  19. BLOGGER said

    ÅngelwitcĦ started this ruckus. He was the one that came out of the closet and now I see he has admitted to having people all over the place deleted. What a self-righteous ass!! What hypocrisy! All the while you lousy limeys cry about self-expression and censorship. What a load of pig poo-poo!

  20. Unknown said

    If you are such a great proponent of free expression, then why are you so hard on the Osuji guy? Sounds like a double standard to me.

  21. Sarah said

    Hiya Phil,I agree absolutely with what you\’ve said about Punk … NOW. What really makes me gag is that all the teens think they\’re SO original .. but then that\’s teenagers for you and better to let them have their day I guess … and think it all belongs to them when ppl like you and I know better…. yeah it\’s been done before.Why doesn\’t anybody come up with summink new … radical and different ?. I think music went down the drain the minute Stock, Aitken & Waterman put their ugly mugs up over the parapet. They should\’ve been shot in the name of creativity.Keep warm … safe and well and Fank Yoo for the visit,Lotsa luv from sarah XXXP.S. I don\’t take speed but I\’m leaving your comment there \’cos I\’m not into censoring my image … pmsl … mainly \’cos I don\’t have an image X

  22. ... Angelwitch said

    Heya phil  🙂
    well those idiots have had a day to get back to me but they haven\’t so i\’ve slamed the door on the lot of them now,
    that Quaylood had a load of profiles, he tried to send me a friend request not long ago, i saw he was on Osuji\’s list so i blocked him, and i\’ll block the rest of his cronies as well in time. they have no powers and i see the last person they victimised is still running anyway, i even told them they can ad contempt of court to the charges as i don\’t recognise their liitle game as such.
    i think between us we\’ve ran enough rings around them so i\’m going the let them steam themselves over the fact that they can\’t get me or intimidate me. thanks for the support though, you really made them look silly, like you always do.
    oh and thanks for the info on the player, i\’ll have to take a look at it next week,
    anyway i\’ve gotta go because i\’m off to meet a friend of ours in a while.
    take it easy mate

  23. Pete said

    So you have decided that Tom is me and I am relaying the adventures of my life through alleged fictional tales about him………your choice. I have already written about two thirds of this novel but letting you enjoy it in bitesize chunks…….Tom has a lot more adventures and unteresting situations………the inspiration of which – will always remain with me!!
    Have a good weekend
    Take care and love to all

  24. Adelina said

    Well,let\’s see.I am not going to vote to a party i don\’t like.I never did.I have always been faithful to my ideas and my convictions.That is what I\’ve learned through life and what my family in some way tought me.I must say that I come from a working family who has been always worried not only for their day living but also for the others.In times of war my grandmother helpd as much as she could to others, even when she and my grandfater  had their own worries and three little girls to look after.My brothers and sisters are also people who worry about political situation and we talk a lot about it when we are togheter,some of us more or less compromised.I tell you this becouse i believe that the way a person is living in this society,the knowledge that has acquiered from others,the own experiences make up a mind.
    What I want for my son is to have a free mind, to think by himself from all what he sees or listen and of course ,from his own experiences.Though he is studiyng he had the opportunity to work a couple of times.He has learned from many things and not only from what a political party says or not.But it is tue that the socialist or the comunist thinking is very settle in my family from long time ago.We are doubting becouse,first of all, we are "thinking people" we have a brain and not only a heart.Many people vote to a party just becouse that is what it has to be,what they always have done and becouse-though the way they run a country sometimes is not the best-they keep voting them becouse their parents  always did.They don\’t think by themselves,see when a party is right or wrong in some ideas.I believe that the socialist goverment we have now (and the one I voted last time )is doing quite good things but I also realise that still they aren\’t as closer to the people problems as they have to.We also listen to what others have to say,even the promises of the right wing,their ideas and propose.Some are good I must admit,but not all.That is why I vote to the left wing.Their propose and way to see life is more like mine.
    Why are we thinking to vote to the comunist party?Well,I think they must have a chance to say something else.They have very interesting things to do but,though they have a goodrepresentation we believe they need a help,in that way,the socialist party should have to reconsider some proposal and listen to them much more.That could be good for everyone.I want  the best for my country but, to make things work, first I have to "think" as a free human being,listen,compare and decide.
    I must thanks all of this to those who in the past couldn\’t do it and tought me how lucky I am to have the chance to do something like that-vote-.
    And finally,that is what i really think is sad.People who complain all the time but do nothing else.They moan about everthing and don\’t go to do something so important like voting.That is what is sad.,have the chance to change thins and don\’t do it.
    I think, therefore I am.
    Anyway,I am glad to hear that you finish your medication,that is good news really.
    I hope in a few weeks you feel much better.

  25. Sarah said

    hiya Phil,Yup I meant the drug speed … I hadn\’t realised but all those medications with \’ephadrine\’ in are speed … In Beechams …the stuff is called phenylphrine …. note they\’ve all got \’ine\’ @ the end … same as Amphetamine.So I WAS speeding … the last thing you want to be doing with a cold. Also I don\’t like the stuff … as if I\’m not anxious enough … twitch twitch !.The tree will have to go … I say one as a compromise … but you may be in the middle of cutting down both ___ TIMBERRRRRRR …watch out Phil !. Yup – he did it his way.T.C. Lotsa luv sarah XX

  26. ♪CoNni£ said

    Hey mate this is gonna be a quick anwer .  i think that  there is no freedom after all. In the west we might have  ideology/beleives  freedom, we also have freedom for expression but the minority uses it, people in the west is controlled by media, few question what is said on magazines, newspapers, tellie, radio. People in the west is controlled by money and power, they turn us crazy and we go to kill people to stole what they have in order to become richer. 
    Values? does western socierty has? hahaha that\’s very funny since we lose them … So there\’s nothing we can teach to the east. I might even say that we are similar, almost equal. Its like a brown egg ad a white egg, in the inside they have the same but the cover is different. So both sides of the world are totally rotten and fake.  🙂

  27. Pete said

    Don\’t worry about not wanting to say anything about my last blog – I agree it is completely ridiculous and I even stared at the story open mouthed for a moment when i first came across it – but you have to laugh don\’t you??
    Have a good day
    Best regards to all

  28. Adelina said

    Hello my friend.
    Thanks for asking about my life..well,I am ok.Working in another place but still waiting for things to get a bit better.
    I have more free time but  I am helping Philip with his studies becouse he needs it more than me.In any case I am studying too while helping him,so I am not wasting time.
    Things in the building are quite by now,only that there is another neighbour who doesn\’t pay his instalment for months.
    Economy in Spain is quite difficult at this time.Mortgage has increased a lot as a result of Euribor and families are having problems to pay.And also biulding industry is falling down slowly so it affects to jobs too.
    It is not a very bad situation but in some way some people start to feel de consequences,more if some of them spend more than they can and that is the problem of my neighbour I believe.
    Elections are here soon,in March and politicians are showing a good face for everything,but I don\’t know what is about to happen really.Hope things turn for good.
    Philip is changing all the time his mind about who he is going to vote.It will be his first time and though he has already made his mind in some way(he is an strong Republican)he doesn\’t trust politicians promises.But for sure that we both will vote for comunist party.We know they won\’t win,but at least they should have some seats.We believe that is not good for a political party to win by majority so,will give a help.
    Hope you are ok

  29. ... Angelwitch said

    Hey Phil  🙂
    basicly bebo are even worse at dealing with their users than MSN,  a whole group of us reported some guy who was just picking fights with everyone and being a racist homophobe but for some reason instead of deleting him i got reported for wasting bebo\’s time with sending a report to them. Basicly if bebo can\’t be bothered to police the place themselves a whole load of us set up a group where we\’d look out for each other and deal with these sort of peole as a group, it\’s a bit vigilante but on here at least if i take the law into my own hands i won\’t end up getting sued for my troubles or worse haha.
    I\’m guessing wolf got deleted then or something, he\’s not really worth the bother, if i rememer right we hammered him with truth and reason and his only comeback was to question our sexuality with the maturity of a three year old and then block us both. besides his time will probably be taken up with throwing his toys out of the pram because the next president of his country is either going to be a black guy or a woman hahaha.
    My knee\’s a bit bruised but it didn\’t stop me getting a few miles of cycling under my belt yesterday.
    hope you\’re having a great week mate, take it easy

  30. Adelina said

    Freedom of expression is something very unclear even in our society.
    A few month ago there was a "mess" here in Spain about a cartoon about the Spanish Prince and his wife.They where drown in a very
    awkward way..(sex ).
    The magazine was "confiscated" and the cartoonists were summoned by the Judge.
    As you can see not everything in the west is so wonderful,but I really think that the middle east has a lot to do about freedom of expression and freedom for many people.

  31. Sarah said

    Hi Phil,Very funny … you\’re outside my door … good pmsl material \’tho… you\’d better not be… Sq\’weeeem.BTW don\’t bother with opening up the "My Way" thing if they\’re giving you grief … I\’m afraid it\’s the iTunes mafiosi …I\’ve been awake all night … reluctantly … I took some innocent looking Beecham\’s tab.s … for a cold … turns out they\’re full of speed …. Yuck !… not my drug of choice.You are right \’tho \’bout the colour … your page feels much less like scraping your eyeballs than mine.I can\’t spell the 2 trees you\’ve got … Leyllandi ???…. it all depends on how much of a sun worshipper you are … whether you cut them down or not …I don\’t know why but I imagine you\’re more of a \’shade\’ person … don\’t ask …. lack of sleep I suppose.Thanks for making the trek over to my page … and have a great week.Lotsa Luv sarah XX

  32. ... Angelwitch said

    Anti social chaos merchant…love it Phil  🙂
    well if that\’s the case i\’m a renegade, lol… it\’s a group i set up over on bebo because
    i nearly got throw off for defending my freinds from some bullying arsewipe, so seeing as bebo won\’t police their domain
    i\’ve set up a group of people who have had simiar expeirences so we can stick togehter and hopefuly do something..
    back\’s still a bit off but i hate sitting around all the time, i found that i\’m a good hand a wallpapering, i\’ve seen supposed professionals do a far worse job that i just have haha
    hope you have a great weekend mate

  33. Pete said

    Sorry I missed the chance to chat yesterday….one of those days – in and out of the office and needless to say when things finally settled down, it was time to go home.
    I made the point because even as someone who doesn\’t drink a lot, you do know people like to go to their local a few times a week, do quizzes, watch a bit of entertainment, see their friends……all the social factors and then of course, enjoy a few pints. My view is simply that there is an element that have infiltrated these safe havens for people and instances when they are going to and from the pub that make them wonder if it really worth it. I feel that way. Even in my local of 20 years…….the landlord has got to earn a living – he cannot turn people away simply because he doesn\’t like the look of them – they cause trouble and regulars are so astounded by the sheer violence and verocity of it – that they think it is not worth it. Violence is not new in pubs of course – but there was a time that usually a quick round of fisticuffs in the car park…..shake hands and back to the bar – was the way most disputes were resolved. Now – drunk kid goes to the bar…..looks smashed and out of his tree on drugs, the staff refuse to serve him, out comes a knife and the sheer anger and hatred in his face – he wants to kill someone, you can see it in his eyes.
    This actually happened in one of the pubs I used to frequent……..it was a good pub, welll managed and usually trouble free but the clientele have changed. As a result the \’for sale\’ sign is outside of the door and the landlady has told me taking have dropped 20% in 12 months and she believes it is more down to the new kind of people who drink frightening off the old kind.
    Its a sad fact of life along with much more we both write about
    Take care
    Love to you and yours

  34. Sarah said

    Hiya Phil,Your memory is as bad as mine.. HaHa_______ NOT funny at all really.I\’ve just come from Dave\’s page ..where he\’s talking about a man in a Ski Mask … Sqw\’eeeeeeeeeeeeem.I had to explain that I\’m in permanent flight mode living in london, it\’s a bit like running the gauntlet between who knows what next ?.Apart from that I hope you\’re warm and well..Love sarah X

  35. Pete said

    There is not much more I could add to what you are saying and it certainly made me think that whilst I am always quick to pontificate about the moral corruption and hypocrises of the middle eastern cultures. beliefs and religion – the west are hardly beacons of light and purity.
    How I long for a Utopia!!
    Have a good day and thanks for getting me thinking……
    Take care

  36. ... Angelwitch said

    Heya Phil  🙂
    yeah it was a sad day for jornalism when the Sun of all people were more in tune with public mood than
    one of the biggest journalistic institutions on the planet. But we both knew that was coming eh?
    I don\’t really care about what that bloke was selling, i\’d seen him about before, but it was the fact I had a site binned for something much less serious that annoyed me, and you nealy had the same for doing what was argueably a public service,
    besides he was annoying and spamming most of the people i talk to on here.
    i got someone thorwn off who had porn videos playing on his space and was hassling some female friends of mine, so the pics you\’ve told me about doesn\’t surprise me in the slightest.
    Pete was saying about putting a vid about Bill Gates burning the american flag before MSN would take note,
    Suppose there are ways of doing that if you\’re smart enough eh?
    well i can understand the Jews at least being hypersensitive to critisism bearing in mind what happened to them 60 years ago as well as the fact everyone seems dead set against them having some sort of home land. though israeli politics would make a fine discussion for another day. Eventualy they\’ll have to move on and quit living in the past.
    As for the hippocties who chose to live here yet would like to see this country destroyed, kick \’em out. if they feel that way inclined then i\’m sorry but i\’m not paying out money to keep them housed just so they can slag us off without fear of hearing the sound of B2\’s overhead. i hear easyjet have some good deals at the moment lol.
    well i hope you\’re feeling a bit better today mate
    take care of yourself

  37. Sarah said

    Hiya Phil,I will read the blog .. I promise, it\’s just that I have difficulty concentrating @ the mo.I want to remark on what you yourself have said…. it\’s kinda "Snap" … I can write masses on other people\’s blogs … but when it comes to writing my own I become self conscious. A drag that as it wipes everything from my mind. All down to crippling nerves … I\’m afraid. But what I do agree with … totally and 100% … is the keeping an eye on people in positions of power. They are not gods … far from it and the one thing I\’ve never been nervous about is confronting them … head on !.The same attitude got me chucked out of school at 15 … they said it was for my own good and how right they were…. I\’d been trying since the 1st year to get expelled … my frustration was that it had taken them so long to bloody well get round to it.I hope you\’re O.K. …. snug and warm … and feeling well….ish.T.C.  Lotsa love Sarah X

  38. Pete said

    Welcome back……
    It is very thought provoking in so much that whilst I am largely critical of the asian community\’s lack of integration and the problems it causes – I forget that quite probably the vast percentage do want to integrate and be a valued part of society, get a job and contribute. They also have to fight off the incessent indoctinations that the west is a bad place…..strangely though – the place of choice for most migrating asians and those who make the most noise about the badness of the west…
    Of course the answer lies in benefits and basic quality of life being ininately better than what they know…
    The important message of course is freedon of speech….I suppose it could be argued that those spreading the hate to the westerners are entitled to their opinion and to be able to express it freely – as long as it is an opinion it is harmless – when it becomes a way of life it then beomes a problem and it is something that we really need to learn to differenciate from. I personally believe anyone should be able to say what they think without fear……but just say what they think – any physical acts to support more radical blieves should be dealt with accordinlgy but I cannot possibly say for example – that is is wrong and counter productive to integration that letter from the NHS are in 15 different languages……..without someone being able to respond with their view…
    I don\’t believe we should ever have to apologise about our past too……..the Empire had its faults but if say Indians can honestly say that their country has suffered unequivocably because of it….. we should not be stigmatised for the past or else we will never move forward.
    Fanatical Islamics poison the minds of their youth…it happens in my own town and I can only forsee this generation of asian youths becoming more and more embittered with their beliefs when the truth is it is more down to their own internal conflict of beliefs…….they like what this country they have been bought in has to offer – yet their elders are telling them it is evil…….why are we here then???
    Great stuff and valid points all round…..hope your head clears soon
    Love to you and yours

  39. ... Angelwitch said

    Hey phil  🙂
    you know, i never got round to seeing the cartoon that caused such a stink in the end.
    Though unless I was under a rock at the time, our papers reported on it and published it without most of the fuss that was to be had over in Denmark. If i\’ve learned anything over the years nothing is free from the pen of a satirist, least of all religion.
    written word and mathematics as we know it today were all brought over from the eastern world in the dim and distant past if i remember rightly, in fact mathematics and the numerology we use now actually came from india and replaced that ridiculous business of the roman numerals we used to put up with.
    Haha i\’m not even apologetic that my forefathers were the cause of the uprising and subsequent troubles in Ireland, let alone anything else that\’s gone on in the past. I know the old empire wasn\’t exactly saintly as far as it\’s conduct was concerend and i can\’t see what practical point there was about making a song and dance about abolishing slavery, but at least we were the first to put an end to it and then later lean on France and parts of America to do the same afterwards.
    as for freedom of speech? yeah it\’s something worth defending, but people do sometimes push the sprit of what it meant too far.
    Like whenever i run into people who think Hitler should return for instance. it boils me that a generation was destroyed trying to defeat an evil man and stand up for our virtues just for some snotty kid to turn round and say things like that.
    i think Metallica were onto something when they wrote \’ Don\’t tread on me\’
    oh well on the plus side, the Chinese aren\’t islamic. Now there\’s something to think about for the future.
    glad to see you back on here mate. you take it easy

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