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Cameron Attacked For Saying Multiculturalism Has Failed In The UK

Posted by DeadAnarchistPhil on February 6, 2011

I don’t always agree with David Cameron and I certainly don’t like the man that much. My personal feelings aside though, I partly agree with what he said the other day about Multiculturalism in the UK. Read Here for a run down.

Watch her for what the PM said:

First of all, I agree with most of what he said. However, I don’t think Multiculturalism has been a complete failure. There’s only been two failures in multiculturalism, and that’s the problem with some Muslim integration in to UK society and suppression of native English/British culture through shame and white guilt.

Everything else is fine, everyone else more or less rubs along together and hold the same ideals and mixes and intermarries with the Native population. East Asians, West Indians, Jews, Indians (Hindu, Christian, Sikh), Africans, Polish the list is endless! Everyone comes here, they hold the same ideals, retaining old cultural traditions while becoming English/British and their children having english/british blood running through their veins!

On the other hand we have Natives who are constantly shamed in to not taking pride in their historical past as well as their culture, whichever way you want to define it. While people are told to make themselves at home from other countries, the natives are asked to accept so many alien cultural ideals and religions, to accept these cultural changes that are happening so fast, while not having one of their own. Whether you think a country needs culture, tradition, Patriotism or not, doesn’t matter, the fact is it is the substance that holds a country and society together in current times, without it, the country will fracture.

Which brings us the other failure in British Multiculturalism, Islam and some Muslims. Obviously, many Muslims integrate well within the UK and become part of the community. When you take a look at Islam itself though, you will see it is made to resist full integration in to the non-Islamic society of a country where any Muslim community is. The Qur’an is written in such a way that stops Islamic culture, tradition and the religion itself from being diluted by other cultural and societal elements, while also staying part of and respecting the Non-Muslim community and culture in which it resides.

Of course, you can say this about certain Jewish sects and Black Nationalists, the difference is, they’re small in number and don’t tend to become violent and radical if they feel alienated or insulted.

You can also say the same for the White Nationalists, I think they can be as much of a danger to the country as Islamists. The thing is, they are tackled at every step they take by many anti-white nationalist groups and also the Police and other Government intelligence organisations.

I’d just like to make the difference at this point because a few people will be getting confused or foaming at the mouth for not making the distinction between Islamists and Muslims in general.

Islamists are a bad problem, on par with White Nationalism and Nazism. They can’t and shouldn’t be accommodated in society. That’s not to say they shouldn’t have the same rights as we do, I’d draw the line at calling for death and harming of people.

Muslims in general, over all they’re not much of a problem, most keep themselves to themselves, but the reality is self-segregation in a country that you should be doing your utmost to integrate in to is not a good thing. Obviously, not every single Muslim is like this, but a fair few actually are, to say they’re not is to ignore reality completely. I think this is the problem as much Islamists are.

Muslims are caught between being British and Muslims and the two sets of systems that go with them (Western and Islamic). Obviously, some see this as a very serious choice to make, and will always take the side of their religion on such choices, after all, it is the word of God, and that stands above any man-made law or system anywhere else in the world (These are Conservative Muslims [These are not automatically Islamists]). Other Muslims see no conflict and remain Muslims while being British, obviously omitting and not following a lot of things in the Religion that would conflict with the way of life here (These are Moderates), similar to the way Christians and Jews omit large parts of their religion because that type of thing wont be accepted in a modern-day secular society.

Many Muslims, from the moderates to Islamists, all have one thing in common, they don’t wont marry outside of their religion, and if they do, they do it at their own risk, as some family members and others can see it as insulting to them and God. Yes, Muslims will marry whites, blacks or any other group you can think of, as long as they’re also a Muslim. It’s that adherence to Religion again, the idea of keeping the religion, Muslim house holds and communities pure and free of cultural contamination and dilution that is also a problem.

Of course, there’s no law saying you have to marry certain people in British society, only in the Qur’an and some other religions and cultures, but in the UK we have no rules like that anymore, and as such people see fit to marry who they like, unless you accept an arranged marriage. White and Black nationalists also take advantage of this freedom and use it to keep themselves ‘Pure’ too, but in a ‘racial’ sense and not a religious one. Either way, racial or religious, you can see how that kind of attitude is detrimental and damaging to a country and the communities within it. Unwillingness to integrate and mix on a social, community and even a racial level is going to damage society, I don’t care what type of Muslim or Nationalist you are, it doesn’t help. However, as I said before, it isn’t a law in the UK so people will please themselves.

I’d just like to say, I am not lumping all Muslims in with Nationalists, I was just explaining what other groups have the same kind of attitude/policy on marriage and can have an effect on the community they live in.  

All the above is the reason why Muslims were singled out in this speech by the PM. It wasn’t a witch hunt, it wasn’t misguided opinions based on a distorted media image, it was based on reality. Some Muslims in the UK today are turning radical, and it’s because of their religion and Western actions in Muslim countries. The fear of speaking out on issues such as this has also helped things along, because no one can have an opinion on such issues without being called a racist or Islamophobic because Muslims and Liberals are so sensitive about it, which resulted in a blanket ban on talking about anything Muslim, unless a Muslim was saying it. This ban on not talking about Islam and being forced to respect it, every part of it, even when elements of Islam are/were at odds with our own law and ideals, only gave ammunition to far right groups.

Those far right groups have only grown and continued to exist partly as a result of fast constant immigration, cultural change and sensitivity of Muslims and others regarding their religion and culture. That atmosphere created by that ‘keep your mouth shut, don’t offend anyone’ Politically Correct policy is what nourishes the far right, what annoys the average person and ultimately leads to the friction we have.

This sensitivity can be seen even now, look at the reaction from Muslim groups in the UK in the above video. They basically say: “We’re being victimized.” That isn’t the case, they’re being called out on a legitimate problem that exists within the Muslim community, one serious enough to make the British Government question it’s policy of Multiculturalism and even the funding some Muslim charities get. Muslim groups just don’t like anyone having a view of them that isn’t sanctioned by them,  positive and displays them in a good light. It’s simple, they just don’t like criticism, and any radicalisation is someone else’s fault and not their’s or their religion’s. In my opinion I’d lay a fair bit of the blame at the religion’s door, it’s so restrictive, controlling and out-of-step with British society that the only way you can be a British Muslim in the UK is by ignoring a lot of what the Qur’an and Hadith say.

The fact one Muslim group mentioned Cameron and the English Defence League (EDL) being on the same page really annoyed me. Here is someone talking about a legitimate problem, in a nice way, and they stand up and say: “You should write for the EDL”. It’s because of that attitude and the defence of it by people on the left, center and right that’s lead to the EDL, and Cameron and other European leaders having to say what they do and call Moderate Islamic groups out on their problems. If they didn’t, where would the population turn? It would turn to less savory groups like the British National Party.

The time of hiding behind the cultural and religious sensitivity card has to come to an end, the Moderate Muslims can’t keep blaming Western society, ignorance and Western wars in Muslim countries for the problems Muslim communities in the West have. It’s a combination of their own Religion’s and culture’s conservative inflexibility in the face of a Secular Western state as well as the religion’s allowance to accommodate violence and propagate hatred.

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21 Responses to “Cameron Attacked For Saying Multiculturalism Has Failed In The UK”

  1. ecks why said

    muslims do not assimilate into western society because islam is a theocracy and demands supremacy. there is no radical, moderate, hijacked or any other nuanced semanticism type of islam. there is only islam which is based on the life of a murdering 8th century warlord.

    the twin fogs of political correctness & ignorance must be dispersed before western society better understands this menace. even a brief review of islamic theology & history quickly exposes the deadly roots of this evil ideology.

    see the links in the pdf version below for more accurate info about islam
    ==========

    islam is a horrible ideology for human rights

    5 key things about islam

    1. mythical beliefs – all religions have these (faith) because its part of being a religion: having beliefs without proof until after the believer dies. the problem is people will believe almost anything.

    2. totalitarianism – islam has no seperation of church and state: sharia law governs all. there is no free will in islam: only submission to the will of allah as conveniently determined by the imams who spew vapors to feather their own nests. there are no moderate muslims: they all support sharia law.

    3. violence – islam leads the pack of all religions in violent tenets for their ideology & history: having eternal canonical imperatives for supremacy at all costs and calling for violence & intimidation as basic tools to achieve these goals.

    4. dishonesty – only islam has dishonesty as a fundamental tenet: this stems from allah speaking to mohamhead & abrogation in the koran which is used to explain how mo’s peaceful early life was superseded by his warlord role later.

    5. misogyny – present day islam is still rooted in 8th century social ethics: treating females as property of men good only for children, severely limiting their activities, dressing them in shower curtains and worse.

    conclusions ??

    there really are NO redeeming qualities for this muddled pile of propaganda.

    islam is just another fascist totalitarian ideology used by power hungry fanatics on yet another quest for worldwide domination and includes all the usual human rights abuses & suppression of freedoms.

    graphics version

    1 page pdf version – do file/download 6kb viewer doesn’t show fonts well, has better fonts header footer links, great for emailing printing etc
    http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B_UyNP-72AVKYWNiNTFlYTEtMTA1ZC00YjhiLTljMDUtMDhhNDE0NDMzNmYz

    • Hello there,

      Thank you for your thoughts and taking the time to leave a comment.

      I agree 100% with you on Islam being a vile ideology. It is a danger to the West, you only have to look at parts of the world where Islam has spread or been forced on people. As I said in the blog, Islamism, which is the purest unaltered form of Islam, is as bad as Nazism in my opinion. I detest it, as I do all religion, but Islam more so as it is so unwilling to change to fit with global modern times. So yes, I agree, there is only Islam, however, how much the individual choose to follow of Islam, i.e what they drop, what they choose to ignore and all the rest, that is what makes different Muslims. That’s why I believe not all Muslims are Islamists, but many are getting more Conservative in the UK, which I worry about a lot.

      I’ve read and researched Islamic theology and the history, and I find it horrible and bemusing that such a religion is accepted as a ‘religion of peace’ anywhere, when it is nothing of the sort, even to Muslims who live within a Muslim country. I would say I find it hard Muslims actually believe it, but as you’ve mentioned, it’s religion, people will believe almost anything. None of this actually means every single Muslim in the world believes the bad shit what’s in the Qur’an, the same way not all Christians believe that the stoning of Gays is the right thing to do by God.

      The thing with your post, and many like them, is you’re generalising about a whole group of people who you’ve never met or spoken to. You only have the media to go on and the loud-mouthed Islamists we see on the TV. Yes, I’ve seen polls showing x amount of Muslims think Sharia law should be used in the UK and such, but the fact is that was only a represenative poll and could very easily be wrong on it, assuming the poll was taken by a reputable and realitively unbiased org. Basically, there’s a lack of critical evidence in your argument.

      I will however agree that yes, there is a problem with Muslim intergration in the UK, and that’s because of Islam as I explained above, and I don’t like that they do it. There’s some huge problems with Islam that need to be sorted out now, before the shit hits the fan, I’m talking Mulims becoming more alienated because of their shit religion, the violent Islamists in their communites and the media. Falling short of chucking all Muslims out of the country how would this be achieved? To do such a thing would go against our ideals as a nation and would render us no better than the theocratic shitholes where Islam/ism thrives.

      • ecks why said

        i’m glad we agree now we just have to educate everybody else 🙂

        note there was only 1 usage of the term “muslim” in that polemic rant, and it was about the so called “moderate” muslims, here are some good links about that theory

        http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/05/ali-sina-hailing-the-lies-punishing-the-truth.html

        http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/03/pig-flying-moment-on-hannity-moderate-islam-does-not-exist.html

        http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/12/the-true-islamists.html

        otherwise it seems the proper analogy is along the lines, if there are moderate muslms, then there must also be moderate rapists, moderate murderers, moderate arsonists and so on, which is accurate if you want to split hairs and categorize these troublemakers but really this is too pedantic for most of us yes ?

      • ecks why said

        and also pardon the slow response 🙂 i’m using 56k dialup, posting that blurb alot and don’t always come back to check for replies

        as for critical evidence in my post, it is a slam against islamic ideology and at the basic level i posted there is an overwhelming amount of islamic texts, history to support those 5 assertions poke around a few websites

        if you want to go around defining what is & is not a “muslim” sorry that is ridiculous. who are you some uber imam ? that is like a non-christian defining what it means for somebody else to be an xtian etc, so that approach doesn’t work either. just look at the islamic texts, they are very clear about what it means to be a mooselimb

        as for what to do about the unassimilated immigrant problem, i’m guessing that will take care of itself. i’ve been following this issue for several years now and the problems & yammering yappers are getting more & more noticable, from a historical standpoint the trend is clear & is unlikely to be resolved by neville chamberlain types and their appeasement whore attitude towards these people

        • Hello there again. Sorry I can’t reply fully at the moment, I’m very busy. So I will be back soon and also give a good read of all the links you’ve provided and will get back to you. So keep checking back. :O)

        • Hello ecks,

          Can I just say again, I agree with you on Islam being backward, my only problem is the blanket label you throw over all Muslims. To say that all the Muslims are Islamists is just wrong as not all Muslims follow their religion to the T. The same way not all Xtians follow their religion to the T. Just because Islamic ideology is full of bad advocations doesn’t mean all Muslims will act on them, again, the same way not all Xtians will act on their two backwards books full of rubbish and hate. However, this doesn’t mean I support Islam in its current form, it needs to change and be brought in to the 21st century, a book such as the Qur’an that spouts such a hateful and restricting ideology that conflicts with our society and laws can not be allowed to exist in a practiced form. If National Socialism is banned in the UK then so should Islam, Christianity and Judaism, as they have just as much hate and disgusting advocations as Nazism. I can’t get any clearer than that.

          How can I go around defining what a Muslim is? Aren’t you doing the same with your unflexable blanket grouping of all Muslims? You use the Islamic ideology to fit over bilions of people you’ve never met or know, to prove you’re theory. If you’re going to argue using that logic then you should be saying there is only one kind of Xtian or Jew, when there are many different sects and levels of adherence to those ideologies and the rituals that come with them.

          Having said the above, I am not under any illusions about Islam and it becoming more conservative and that Islam as an Ideology is a danger to our society and culture, and that needs to be dealt with.

          Oh, what did you mean when you said: “i’m guessing that will take care of itself” regarding the muslim immigrant population in the UK?

          – Phil

  2. prenin said

    Hi Phil! 🙂

    The trouble with Christianity is that it is a world wide religeon, so we can’t just talk about censorship being limited to the UK.

    Ordaining women and allowing openly homosexual clergy to serve has created a nightmare for the Anglicans alone and now that there is the suggestion Catholics should give up on acclesiastical celebracy we’re seeing more resistence to change from the Catholics.

    Change will be highly unlikely Phil and carving up the bible is highly unlikely to happen because it would only apply to the UK, so it would go underground with the persecuted minority here in the UK while the rest of the world would be sending uncensored bibles here like they did to Russia… 🙂

    Interesting to see how it’d play out though…

    God Bless!

    Prenin.

    • Hi Ian! 🙂

      All I can say then is they better lift the ban on National Socialism/Nazism, if religion can get away with having such questionable ideals and ideology, then so can Nazism. They both promote hate, ignorance and advocate violence, as well as peace. It’s not fair one is permitted while the other is banned. So let’s throw open the door to every kind of ideology, because if established religion can do it, then everyone can! You see how my last senstance would lead to the country falling apart? Either ideology sticks to our laws or they move out. But as we’ve both said, it isn’t going to happen any time soon.

      Hope the weekend’s a good one for ya! 🙂

  3. Phil,
    Excellent. A really thoughtfully written – I only wish that the Islamists could be as clear in their ideals and thinking too.
    I agree with you entirely. There is not that much wrong with the overall view of multiculturalism in this country. The vast majority come along, integrate and side by side, we all get a long. But there is still work to be done especially with the cultures that fail to integrate or worse still, demonstrate criminal levels of hypocrisy – especially the islamists you speak of.

    Makes me laugh when I see young muslim girls head to toe in veil wearing high heels and carrying a designer handbag. For me that is actually a bigger problem than it looks. Suggest to the muslims that wearing full veils is insulting to Western culture is completely unacceptable because we need to respect their ancient traditions and beliefs but equally we need to respect their westernisation when it comes to the Jummy Choo shoes and the Louis Vuitton hand bag. The islamists who constantly protest against westerners, the infadels, preach acts of violence against them – then sponge money of the welfare system and claims it infringes their human rights when we try to kick them out of the country – yep, I get confused to!

    On the whole I am pretty happy with what is happening but we do need to remove the positive discrimination element and not lose sight of our beliefs, traditions and cultures. Dave does speak some sense but for me, but needs to focus on what the real problems are, the cause of them and finding the right solution and like you say quite rightly, stop being so sensitive about the possibility of offending any groups – whose country is it after all?
    Have a good week
    Pete

    • Hiya Pete! 🙂

      I assumed you’d agree with me on this, we’re on the same page with this subject.

      I don’t agree with the full veil, and I’ll tell you why. It’s not that I don’t agree with people dressing how they want, because they’re free to dress as they please. My problem is that some Muslim women are forced or pressured in to wearing it by husbands, family or the community. They can bark all they want that it’s by choice they wear it, because I’ve read and seen evidence to the contry that shows some don’t. The question is, how do you help those that are forced to wear it? The only logical course of action is a blanket banning of the veil, there is no other option. That alone can be the main reason for banning it, grounds of culture aren’t needed. And if they don’t like it, there’s always the option of moving to Saudi Arabia.

      I agree with you on Positive Deiscrimination too! This isn’t the ’40s and ’50s, and it certainly isn’t the United States with their firmly entrenched sense of race, we don’t need PD anymore. The best person for the job will be the best person for the job! As it should be.

      I agree with you on pretty much everything else, mate! Just this bit I wrote to Prenin that I think you need to read too: Though I welcome his comments I am suspicious of what this reformed, stronger national identity of Britain is going to be! I’m wary when a Government starts to dictate what our culture is, as well as being wary when they try to dictate and define anything else! Whatever it is, it has to be natural and not invented, because that wont stick in today’s world. If we look at the past, the UK was defined by the upper classes who were a minority, that image and culture was applied to all the UK. The reality of British culture at the time was working class and very different.

      If anything should define British Culture it should be true freedom, openess, secularist, fairness, rule of just law and accountablity of the people and Its govenrment.

      Thanks for the thoughts and fingers crossed for the change we need now, eh?. Over to your blog! 🙂

  4. prenin said

    Oh bugger – forgot the notify tag again… 🙂

    God Bless!

    Prenin.

  5. prenin said

    Very well put Phil!

    Cameron may be a pain in the aspects, but he is right: Multiculturalism isn’t working when it comes to Islam and the angry young men who see themselves as anything but British and that anyone who is not Muslim is scum and can be murdered en mass in the name of Holy War.

    Look at the way Shia and She’ite murder each other in Iraq – do we want this kind of violence here in the UK???

    Now that the security services see Muslims as a threat there is an increasing demand on resources to monitor the Muslim population looking for indications that ‘THEY’ are planning another act of mass murder.

    The result is a growing security system infringing on civil rights that is one massive sledgehammer to crack a very small nut.

    THAT is a victory for the radicals because they can bleed the system dry just for a very small return.

    All because their willingness to kill and die in the process promotes fear far beyond what they are capable of…

    God Bless!

    Prenin.

    • Hiya Ian! 🙂

      I tried to word this just right so people couldn’t take it out of context and and put my thoughts across as best I could. I’m still not sure I succeeded though, I wasn’t aiming that at you, I can still see a few lines where Liberals, PC nutters and Muslims themselves would have a go at it.

      Anyway, on to your comment, yes, it’s safe to say Cameron is a cunt, however, it’s refreshing after 13 years of Labour and their defence of Multiculturalist paradice that went wrong! I’m glad someone has the spine to say it, I didn’t think it would be Cameron though, it shocked me he of all people said it! I thought it would’ve come from below him and he would’ve backed it. To stand up and take a stance like this in front of the media, is very brave and what was needed!

      Though I welcome his comments I am suspicious of what this reformed, stronger national identity of Britain is going to be! I’m wary when a Government starts to dictate what our culture is, as well as being wary when they try to dictate and define anything else! Whatever it is, it has to be natural and not invented, because that wont stick in today’s world. If we look at the past, the UK was defined by the upper classes who were a minority, that image and culture was applied to all the UK. The reality of British culture at the time was working class and very different.

      If anything should define British Culture it should be true freedom, openess, secularist, fairness, rule of just law and accountablity of the people and Its govenrment.

      Muslims, like any other religion or group of people with an ideology, have factions and are opposed to each other. It’s just with Islam they play these disagreements out in the street, as if it was 300 years ago! You can’t do that anymore, and I’m glad different Muslim groups in the UK don’t do that much here, though that doesn’t stop them from doing it in the Middle East.

      I think, with Islam in the UK we need a revised version of it, one that fits with the Western system. Our system ISN’T and SHOULDN’T be for bending to fit beliefs and ideals that are counter our own, when we start to do that we weaken our own system from within, and when we compromise our ideals we show that we’re not willing to defend them, sending the wrong message that it’s OK to be that way. Giving ground to Islam, Judaism and even Christian ideals, laws and opinion that are out of date and line with in a modern secualr state, is completely backwards and counter what we stand for. How can a state tolerate intolerance from the Intolerant because they’re religion is established? All religion is an ideology, just like Communism, Captialism and others, yes it’s more personal than the others, but still, to a rational mind it’s still an ideology and a way to live life. I’m bit of that ideology are counter the way of life of the majority of the people and the laws in the state, then why should it be tolerated? We don’t tolerate Nazism or Racism? Why should we tolerate the hate and backwardness from religion?

      So I short, I’d like to Islam revised, but that isn’t going to happen, because as I said, Muslims are dead set in their ways. I’d like to see the same done with Judaism and Christianity too. After all, if these people really do believe in peace and love and oppose hate etc, then they wont have a problem with the bad stuff being written out? Would you protest to that being somewhat of a believer?

      Hope the week ahead is a good one for you! 🙂

      • prenin said

        Given that a few hundred years back we were burning grannies at the stake for having pets and senile dementia Christianity has a lot to answer for too, but it developed and grew to what we have today and now we treat the bible as a guide, not the absolute and only truth which Islam demands of the qu’ran and the Catholic clergy are now no longer above the law, as the Imams should not be when they preach violence and murder in the name of the Caliphate they are trying to create in the Middle East.

        If something is so rigid it cannot be changed and leaders use it’s inflexible rules to justify crimes in the modern day and call on all Muslims to kill a Kuffar to get into heaven, then I’m afraid that the murders will continue.

        And right now the most extreme form of Islam, Wabbism, is being advanced into the West using Oil money from our So-Called friends in Saudi Arabia while Christianity is barred from being preached there.

        I’m sorry to say what we have seen so far is just the beginning and a lot of people are going to die violently before it ends…

        God Bless!

        Prenin.

        • Hi man :),

          I know Christianity has evolved with the West over the last 300 years and has become more Liberal over all, with just a few backwards idiots persisting with the unacceptable piaces in the Old Testiment and New. What I wanted to know was, as smoewhat of a believer and Christian, would you protest to the Old Testiment and New Testiment being revised so the unacceptable pieces were taken out?

          In the interst of fairness we can’t just revise the Qur’an and leave the Bibles and Torah be, can we? It is true at the moment Christianity and Judaism are not taken as litteral or acted upon as Islam is. But, I think you’ll agree they still hold potential for justifying violence, ignorance and hatred on the same scale as Islam if the more distasteful pieces are practiced and acted upon.

          I agree with everything else you say, Christianity does have a lot to answer for, Islam needs to change, Whabbism IS being spread by using Oil Profits and things will get worse before they get better.

          Hope tha day is a good one for ya! 🙂

          • prenin said

            Actually the Bible has been ‘rewritten’ so there are several versions ‘out there’, each one written to suit the sect that declares it to be the ‘only true bible’.

            I have the New Living Edition and it has been rewritten using modern English, so without close study I doubt if I’d notice if anything were left out!!!

            The Jehovas Witnesses version misses out a number of lines, but one I torture them with reads: ‘And the sons of God saw the daughters of men were fair and cleaved unto them. Thus were born the great men of old, the men of renown.’

            Even the Catholics have rewritten the bible – a Monastery in the Middle East was discovered to have an original 300 year old bible which is far different from the one we have today! 🙂

            Yes, a lot needs to change my friend, but as long as people seek power it ain’t gonna happen any time soon!

            God Bless and keep you!

            Prenin.

            • I know it has, nuermours times. But those unacceptable pieces still exist in some of the revised versions, and are allowed to be in the UK as a religion. If a non-religious group had those sort of ideas and opinions in their ideology, they’d be banned.

              Anything that propogates hatred and advocates violence should not be accepted in the UK, especially as it coflicts with our laws and ideals. I see no reason why any religion with unsavory texts shouldn’t be revised or banned.

              I don’t think it’s just a matter of seeking power that things wont change. I think it’s cultural and religious sensitivity playing a part again.

              Good morning, or night, depending on what sleeping pattern you have! lol 🙂

              • prenin said

                The new testament is basically the story of Jesus up to his crucifixion, the events that led to him being risen from the dead, then a bunch of letters describing the story from different points of view – usually long after the desciple had carked it!!! 🙂

                The last chapter, Revelations, is basically about a vision of the end of the world.

                The old Testament, however, is a hodgepodge of different texts which had similar wording, anything that didn’t have multiple sources was stuffed into the Apocrypha which I haven’t read!

                I agree that rewording of some of the entries would be a good idea, but isn’t that censorship???

                God Bless my friend! 🙂

                Prenin.

                • Ah! Now that’s an interesting question!

                  When you think about it, it’s a little ironic that the Bible and other Books of faith will be the ones being censored instead of them doing the censoring to others!

                  But still, if I can’t hold those types of opinions by myself, and they’re against the law of the state and society, why should a religion be able to to have that text? Why can they get away with it? Surely a book advocating rape and murder of people who don’t share the same views as you is a danger? And surely a re-working of it would improve the religion and make society a little safer? Is that wrong? Because by socities and the laws standards, those passages in those books are against the law.

                  Hope ya well, man! 🙂

                  • prenin said

                    Well said! 🙂

                    Yes, I have to agree, but given that Christianity has so many versions of the bible, who will decide what to remove???

                    Catholics have been refusing to change the ‘No Condom’ rule for decades and millions have died of AIDS as a result – can you imagine their response if they were told to edit God’s Testament???

                    I gotta be a fly on the wall in the Vatican when the Pope gets told!!! PMSL!!!

                    God Bless!

                    Prenin.

                    • I think if we have guidelines, i.e the law, we can easily take out what conflicts with our way of life. If everything else is subject to the law of the land, then so should these religions and the people that advocate them. And if they don’t like the revised version, then they can leave and go to a country that will allow their bigotry and advocation of hatred, murder and rape.

                      So in answer to your question, the law will be the guide, but it’s important a person who’s not hardcore religious or Atheist be the one to edit.

                      As for the Catholics, well, I was only advocating changing the law in the UK, assuming we wont be under the European Court of Human Rights, which would then be easier to do. I wasn’t advocating changing every other country, that’s for them to decide. However, I don’t think the UK population would allow the change and editing of religious books. It’s a subject that’s very personal and close to them. So we’re going to be stuck with this for a while! 😦

                      Have a good weekend, Ian! 🙂

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